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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
Subject: Fw: DNA
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:26:16 +1100

In my computer I can call up a person, and then press M (for mother) until
it has run out. Maria Theresia goes back to a daughter of Walram II, Count
of Arlon, (mother not known) this unnamed daughter married Heinrich I Count
of Limburg who died in 1119. Their male line descendants became the Dukes of

Queen Victoria and Catherine the Great do share a total female line to the
Adelaide de Bezieres I mentioned before. If you go to my website, you can
call up Adelaide, ask first for her descendants (gives only a few
generations), and then you are given the choice to ask for only female line
descendants and that will take you to as far as goes.

I still think there were a few more than just a handful females that
supplied female lines to the present :-)

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hickory" <>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: DNA

>I have been heavily involved with several DNA projects and they have
> proven extremely useful, both to myself and to many others, saving
> what might very well have been thousands of hours of research to
> straighten things out. As for Angevin male-line ancestry, the Dukes of
> Beaufort and the male-line representatives of that family have an
> uncontested Angevin ancestry, as far as it is possible to determine
> from the historical record. There may be representatives of a Welsh
> family I once came across in genealogical material in London who are
> descendants in the male line from the Norman kings, though I should
> think finding primary sources to document this line would be a hard
> thing to do, indeed. I wish representatives of the major European
> royal families would undergo DNA testing. It would be a boon, not just
> for pure genealogy, but also for other historical research. For
> instance, testing any present-day male Romanoff and comparing the
> results with those of any present-day male-line representative of the
> family which produced the line of German princelings to which the
> Kings of Denmark belonged to up until the time of the father of the
> present queen, then the age old question of whether the Tsars of
> Russia after Catherine II descend from Peter the Great's grandson
> Peter III or whether they descend from one of her lovers. To prove
> whether they descend from the most likely lover, Saltykov, would
> require a modern male line representative of that family (which do,
> indeed, exist) participate. Within a couple of weeks, a question which
> has occupied the best brains (and worst) among Russian historians for
> about 250 years now could be conclusively cleared up and history books
> could be rewritten, depending on the test results. That's just one of
> many applications I can think of.
> Concerning female line ancestries, I think that of Maria Theresa goes
> back to the 12th century to somewhere in Italy and she, surely has
> left many female-line descendants who could be tested today. It's been
> a long time since I traced it out of curiosity, so I'm no longer
> totally sure, though. Though not going that far back in history, if I
> did my tracing right (also a rather long time in the past), I think
> you will find that Catherine the Great of Russia and Queen Victoria
> share a common female-line ancestry. Basically, though, the contention
> made above that the great majority of European royal female lines
> descend from a mere handful of women is probably quite correct.
> Hikaru
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