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From: Douglas Richardson <>
Subject: Re: Joan de Clinton, widow of John de Montfort, John de Clinton, and Henry ap Griffith
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:15:54 -0800 (PST)
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Dear Newsgroup ~

Digging a little deeper, it appears that the Lady Joan Gryffyn who was
granted the license for an oratory at Stockton, Warwickshire in 1372
was actually Sir Henry ap Griffith's widowed mother, Joan de
Somerville, rather than his own widow, Joan de Clinton.

I have no evidence that Sir Henry ap Griffith as a younger son ever
held the manor of Stockton, Staffordshire. As such, in 1372 the manor
would likely have been held by his widowed mother, Joan de Somerville,
who was the heiress of this manor. Furthermore, I show that Joan de
Somerville, widow of Sir Rhys ap Griffith, actually died at Stockton,
Warwickshire on 8 October 1376 [Reference: Miscellanea Genealogica et
Heraldica, 1 (1868): 64 (List of deaths: "A° 1 R. 2. Obitus
supradictæ Johannæ vxoris predicta Resi filiæ et heredis antedictæ
Philippi Someruile militis 8° die Octobris A° 1376 quæ obijt apud
Stokton sed vbi sepelitur nescio.").

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

On Jan 2, 12:44 am, Douglas Richardson <> wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> The following weblink shows that Lady Joan Gryffyn was granted a
> license for her oratory at Stockton, Warwickshire on 12 November 1373
> by Robert de Stretton, Bishop of Lichfield.
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=deoGAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA63&dq=%22Joann...
>
> This lady was none other than Joan de Clinton, widow successively of
> Sir John de Montfort (living 1361), Sir John de Sutton (died 1369/70),
> and Sir Henry ap Griffith (died 1372). Lady Joan evidently held this
> manor in dower of her third marriage to Sir Henry ap Griffith. The
> manor was held by Sir Henry's family as indicated by VCH Warwick,
> volume 6, sub Stockton:
>
> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=57134&strquery=St...
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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