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From: "John Briggs" <>
Subject: Re: Children of Isabel of England (Died 1241),Wife of Emperor Frederick II
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:20:44 GMT
>>> Perhaps you have a pair of scissors to hand them?
>> No, but how was Manfred "conceived in adultery"? Who was married to
>> whom [or possibly vice versa - vide supra...]?
> Manfred was conceived and, indeed, born to Bianca Lancia when she was
> mistress of the Emperor while his third Empress, Isabel of England,
> was still alive. He married her -- if he married her -- and he may
> have regarded the marriage as legitimate without the Church, his
> bitter enemy, doing so as well -- after Isabel's death, and then
> legitimized their children. Nonetheless, Manfred was not regarded as
> legitimate enough to become a reigning sovereign on his father's
> death, as both Frederick's other legitimate sons did. He eventually
> usurped the throne of Sicily after their deaths.
The Wikipedia - which Douglas says is confused - gives dates of birth, and
dates of death of mothers in childbirth, which don't tie up with your
account - i.e. that Bianca died before Frederick married Isabella (who was
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