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From: "Peter Stewart" <>
Subject: Re: Children of Isabel of England (Died 1241),Wife of Emperor Frederick II
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:41:19 GMT
References: <mailman.2472.1201113271.4586.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>


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> In a message dated 1/23/2008 12:25:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> The Wikipedia - which Douglas says is confused - gives dates of birth,
> and
> dates of death of mothers in childbirth, which don't tie up with your
> account - i.e. that Bianca died before Frederick married Isabella (who was
> considerably younger).>>>>
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>
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> I'm modifying the *W* articles as the conversation goes along. And
> noting
> where we have and don't have a reliable source. Medlands states 1233/4
> WITHOUT SOURCE and so must be thrown out as we all know.

I thought I had already explained that a source implies Bianca died 20 years
before 1256 - since Frederick married her on her death bed, and he was
married to someone else in July 1235, this loose statement was taken to mean
that Bianca must have died in 1233/34.

However, the same source can be understood as saying that she died 20 years
after her liaison with Frederick began, that is usually dated to 1226/27.

The strongest likelihood from other vague indications - apart from this
source - is that she died before, perhapos shortly before, her daughter's
marriage in 1244. Manfred was born in 1232, so was around 12 at the time his
mother most probably died. But these are not certain facts.

Peter Stewart


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