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Subject: Re: Sir Paunettus, kinsman to Edward the Black Prince: Clue to ancestry of Paonet de Ruet?
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:06:51 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 11, 11:05 am, Peter Stewart <> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 10:06 am, wrote:
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> > On Mar 10, 11:33 pm, Leticia Cluff <>
> > wrote:
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> > > The only possible objection that could be raised against this is
> > > the fact that the spelling "paon" is never found, as far as I
> > > know, for the common English noun derived from Latin "paganus."
> > > Here are all the variant spellings listed by the OED under
> > > "payen":
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> > > ME paen, ME paene, ME paeyn, ME paian- (in compounds), ME paien,
> > > ME paiene, ME pain, ME pan, ME pay (transmission error), ME
> > > payen, ME payene, ME payent (plural), ME poyn (transmission
> > > error), ME-15 payn, lME paigien; Sc. pre-17 paian, pre-17 pane,
> > > pre-17 paya{ygh}n, pre-17 payan, pre-17 payane, pre-17 payene,
> > > pre-17 payn, pre-17 payne.
> > > < Anglo-Norman paen, paeen, paien, pain, pagen, pagien and Old
> > > French, Middle French paien (also attested in Middle French as
> > > paian, payen; French païen),
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> > > There is not a single example there of "paon" in either English
> > > or French. Why should that spelling only have developed in a
> > > derivative of Paganus used as a name?
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> > For what it is worth, there is a reference from 31 July 1328 to a "Sir
> > Paon/Lord Paon de Balbis", called in the Latin text "Dominus Paonus de
> > Balbis" [Documents Regarding the Ancient Relations between Venice and
> > Ravenna, P.D. Pasolini, Imola, 1881, pp 43-44].  He is stated to have
> > been the Syndicate and Procurator for the Rector of Ravenna at that
> > time.
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> Thanks Michael, the date of this document (no. 10) is 11 July, in the
> 11th indiction -

Cheers Peter - that will treach me not to pay sufficient attention -
it clearly reads "die decimo primo" and as an accountant I should be
able to add ten and one!

Regards, Michael



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