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From: "Ray O'Hara" <>
Subject: Re: Abraham Lincoln waged The War Between The States to SAVE THEUNION and not to free the slaves!
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:09:37 -0500
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<> wrote in message
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> > True, but it doesn't change my point. If Lincoln had called for 60K
> > troops to end slavery, we probably wouldn't have had a war.
>
> It's simply not germane
> Lincoln did not need troops until secession
> If the south seceded and started a war, "freeing" the slaves in teh
> secessionist states was an obvious Northern gambit.
>
> Vince
>
>
Of course it's germane. The Confederate state seceded mostly over
slavery. Everyone knew that, but Lincoln...even if that's what he
wanted...would not have been able to call up the troops to end
slavery. There were the little problems of trying to keep the rest of
the slave states from seceding and there was quite a lot of proslavery
(or to be fair, "slavery isn't important enough to fight over")
feelings in much of the free states.


why would lincoln have called up 60,000 troops before a war was started.
lincoln was content that containment would eventually end slavery. as was
the rest of the non-slaveholding areas.
the sout also believed containment would lead to the end of slavery. thats
why they seceded.
the attack on sumter was done to provoke a war. secession was dying as it
was only the most extreme deep south that had done so. davis needed to push
NC and Va and the other slave economy states off the fence.
the states with slavery that didn't secede, Md,De,Ky Mo weren't states when
slavery was the base of the econmy so the slavers were unable to gain
control.

the north did not attack the south to end slavery, the north didn't attack
the south.
the south attacked the united states and the united states responded.

once the south started the war it soon became obvious to everybody in the
north that slavery had to go for there to be lasting union.


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