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From: "M.Sjostrom" <>
Subject: Re: issue of khan K÷ten of the Cumans
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
"The Cumans settled in the Balkans and established a
state known as 'Cumania' that was lated incorporated
into the Kingdom of Hungary. .."
I greatly doubt the existence of a proper Cuman state,
and of any clear geographic entity or area called
Cumania. Afaik, kings of Hungary adopted the title
King of Cumania already fairly soon, and based on
their overlordship over the immigrating (refugee)
Cumans, not for the existence of any clearly defined
geographical entity called Cumania.
I have had an impression that Cumans had a tribal
community, and that in Hungary they just lived as
dispersed among others, in emptier spots. Like Roma
peoples. They had chieftain or chieftains as their
links, but it most probably was not about rule over an
area; rather it were tribal rule over an ethnic group.
And there, they sooner or later melted in with other
ethnicities - however some Cuman bunch (which probably
also got infusions of genomes of other ethnicities)
preserved their self-calling as cumans (Kun, Coman),
to very recent times, though language died out lots
Transilvanian lords, Valachia and to some extent
Moldavia were vassals of Hungarian monarchy - there
too were dispersed Cumans. who sired traces of them
into those ethnicities too, like to many other
ethnicities within borders of the great Hungary.
But also some souther regions of Balkan got Cuman
infusions, at some stage.
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