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From: "Nancy Allen" <>
Subject: Re: Michael le Fleming - 1153
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:06:18 -0400
Thanks, Dix, for your reply.
I believe that my ancestry is through Michael's son William down through
Alicia/Alice who marrried Sir Richard de Cancefield. I haven't done much
research on your ancestor Anselm, but Washington's "The Early History of the
Stricklands of Sizergh" states that the four daughters of Anselm de
Furness and Agnes of Dunbar were Eleanor wife of Ralph d'Eyncourt, Erneburga
wife of Richard de Preston, Isabel wife of Thomas fitz John, and a daughter
who was wife of Patrick de Borwick.
You stated that Ulf jr.married le Fleming of Furness, the sister of Anselm
(presumably Goditha) before 1189. I have found conflicting information
regarding the husband of Goditha, sister of Anselm. (1) Farrer's
"Lancashire Inquests, Extents, and Feudal Aids" & "The Lancashire and
Cheshire Antiquarian Society" state that Godith married Alan son of Ketel de
Copeland. (2) Betham's "The Baronetage of England" & "The Early History of
the Stricklands of Sizergh" state that this Godith married William de
>From Dix Preston:
I too am interested in Michael and his descendants. Michael's son Anselm's
daughter Erneburga married my ancestor Sir Richard de Preston of Preston
Richard co. Westmorland.
Tim Cartmell sent me an article regarding Ulf published in Transactions,
CWAAS, New Series, Vol. 1941, article "Ulf and his descendants", by Rev.
W.S. Sykes, but nothing was revealed about his origins or parentage. The
author was of the mind that Ulf of Yorkshire, Ulf of Lonsdale, and Ulf of
Cumberland were one in the same person and that he was probable related to
Ketel FitzEldred. This Ulf is supposed ancestor of the Pennington family of
Mulcaster, and the de Copeland family in Cumberland. Sykes stated that Ulf
was the father of Efward "de Caupland" of Ravenglass, Waberthwaite and Hyton
in Cumberland; and Ketel "de Caupland" of Bootle in Cumberland; and an
unknown daughter who married Gamel de Pennington of Penyington in
Lancashire, and later of Mulcaster (Muncaster) in Cumberland.
The author Rev. Sykes stated specifically, "At Domesday, Ulf held large
possessions of land in Yorkshire at (Long) Preston and Stainforth and
Wigglesworth. In Lonsdale, he held Melling, Hornby, and Wennington, and had
lands in Cokerham and Lonsdale itself. In Cumberland, Ulf held Ravenglass,
Bootle, Waberthwaite, and Mulcaster, and also held lands at Hensingham,
Kelton, Saltergh, Gosforth and Irton. In both Lonsdale and Cumberland, Ulf
had held some lands in conjunction with Ketel FitzEldred. These possessions
of Ulf in Lonsdale and Ulf in Cumberland were not only interwoven with the
possessions of the family of Ketel FitzEldred but were also held in both
places subject to "feudel rights" and this could only be so if the two
families of Ulf and Ketel FitzEldred were akin." Source, Transactions,
CWAAS, New Series, Vol. 1941, article 'Ulf and his descendants', by Rev.
W.S. Sykes, pgs. 123-125.
Page 127 displays a chart of descent for Efward f. Ulf. Efward had several
sons William, Alexander, Roger, Hugh, and Ulf Jr. This Ulf jr.married le
Fleming of Furness, the sister of Anselm (presumably Goditha) before 1189.
Given this association with Michael's family I would suggest to you that
Ledred is identical with Efward father of Hugh. Ulf Jr. was father to
Robert, Henry, & Alexander called de Hiton.
Hope this helps; sincerely,
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