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From: Douglas Richardson <>
Subject: Yet Another C.P. Correction: Parentage of Philippe Lovel, 3rd wife of John Dinham,
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 00:06:57 -0800 (PST)


Dear Newsgroup:

Complete Peerage 4 (1916): 374377 (sub Dinham) had a good account of
the life of Sir John Dinham, Knt., of Hartland, Kingskerswell, and
Nutwell, Devon, Buckland Denham, Somerset, etc., which individual was
born about 1358–59, and died in 1428.

Sir John Dinham's third wife (and the mother of his heir) was Philippe
Lovel, who Complete Peerage identifies as the "daughter of Sir John
Lovel, of Titchmarsh, Northants, and Minster Lovell, Oxon [Lord
Lovel], by Alianore, daughter of Sir William la Zouche, of
Harringworth, Northants [Lord Zouche]."

Checking for a source for this information, surprisingly none is
given. Fortunately, however, there exists a contemporary record which
identifies Lady Dinham's parentage, but it puts her one generation
back in the Lovel family tree. This source is a letter written by
John Austell to Henry Fillongley dated 14 January 1450, in which
Austell wrote:

"And yf y fynnde hit not y shalle ryde to my lady Dynham that was
doughter to the worthi lord Lovell in kynge Richardys daye and to haue
the informacion of hir." END OF QUOTE.

A more full citation of this letter may be found in Lewis, Essays in
Later Medieval French Hist. (1985): 227. For those in America, this
information may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=7gL-DiPh3W4C&pg=PA227&dq=Ralph+Lovel+Castle+Cary

Philippe Lovel was, of course, living at the date of this letter, as
she did not die until 1465. As for her parents, they can readily be
identified as Sir John Lovel, K.G. (died 1408), 5th Lord Lovel, and,
in right of his wife, Lord Holand, by Maud, daughter and heiress of
Robert de Holand, of Nether Kellet, Lancashire (descendant of King
Henry II).

Once again, we see the importance of relying on contemporary primary
sources to find our answers, not secondary printed sources.

For interest's sake, the following is a list of 17th Century New World
immigrants that descend from Philippe Lovel and her husband, Sir John
Dinham:

Charles Calvert, Mary Launce, William & Elizabeth Pole, Mary Johanna
Somerset

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah






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