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From: Denis Beauregard <>
Subject: Re: De Meherenc de Montmirel royal gateway- new
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:38:34 -0400
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Le Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:13:48 +0000, Bob Turcott <>
écrivait dans soc.genealogy.medieval:

>
>lets examine some facts that came after year 892, I also with great pleasure can contact both Meherenc Families frrom norway and Henri himself from paris france if need be, but lets examine the timeline that
>both Petter Mehren from Norway and Henri de Meherenc de saint pierre
>have provided to me for this very purpose. ALso Henri did mention he was writing a book about this whole thing let me find out. But this is very consructive learning experience for me...
>
>
>
>-- The MEHREN, or MEHERENC in FRANCE now, arrived according to falilly tradition from NORWAY with the VIKINGS, under ROLLON who pillage Normandy and laid the siege of Paris (892).
> ROLLON was then made Lord of Normandy (probably to keep him quite)

This is an example of a speculation or guess that is not supported by
a complete and continuous paper track (for one, sources show at the
source of Meherenc family a Bouchard family living in a place named
Meherenc) that could be proven/disproven by DNA analysis. We have
descendants from both lines (Norway and France) and both are male
lines. So, ask them to prove they are related by DNA and then it will
be more than speculation based on a name (and even on a name not in
use in the earlier times).

>-- We say that at the battle of KASSEL (1257) one MEHREN saved the king's life and as a reward he was granted nobility.
> From there on we carry << de >> ( von) in our name.
>
>-- The protestants developped business and banking while money business was forbiden by Rome to the catholics, consequently the protestants became powerfull.

You think in the wrong orders. The rich dealers chosen to become
protestant and not the protestants could become rich dealers.
The Templar order was catholic and created some kind of banking
system...

Catholic church forbids poors to become rich, not catholics to become
rich. There is a lot of catholics that were very powerfull years
before Calvin or Luther were born.

>-- On 24 August 1572 - St-Barthélémy - king CHARLES IX killed several thousands of protestants.
>-- On 13 April 1598, king HENRI IV, signed a Decision that organised peace with the protestants who were reestablished in all their rights.
>-- On 18 October 1685, king LOUIS XIV, cancelled HENRI IV Decision and the protestants had to quit the kingdom.
>-- Consequently some of the << de MEHREN >> went in :

I hardly see the relationship between the protestant and families
becoming noble.

> - Holland and became << van MEHREN >>
> - Denmark " " << von MEHREN >>
> - Norway " " << von MEHREN >>
>
> while the original familly who never quitted NORWAY is still MEHREN.

You just forget a very important fact. Family names begun in the
1300s. In Norway, the concept was different since they were using
farm name instead of personal family name, i.e. you had someone from
a place and said from that place. This is similar to something we
have in French for pre-1300 names.

To make yourself an idea of the old names, check the various lists of
bishops. They are not too hard to find and this will give you a list
of people from many social level. You will see that in early years
commoners had no family name, but noble had a land name, and slowly,
everybody got a family name.


Denis

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Denis Beauregard - généalogiste émérite (FQSG)
Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/
French in North America before 1722 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/
Sur cédérom à 1770 - On CD-ROM to 1770

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