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From: "M.Sjostrom" <>
Subject: Wife of Gabriel of Melitene
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:26:35 -0800 (PST)
is that opus by Rüdt-Collenberg, genealogically reliable? really?
Namely, as I had an occasion recently to observe, see
Count H. W. Rüdt-Collenberg, The Rupenides, Hethumides and
Lusignans: The Structure of the Armeno-Cilician Dynasties (Paris:
Librairie C. Klincksieck, 01963)
is mentioned by Leo as source of the Genealogics entry about king Davit 'narin', ruler of Abkhazia and Imeretia and 'co-king' of the Kartvelian country.
And (apparently on basis of this source), there is the unwarranted filiation,
as presented in the following:
Family NN Palaiologina
1.. Wakhtang II, King of Georgia
>2. Michael of Georgia
>3. Demetrius II, King of Georgia 1273-1289, b. 1262
Last Modified 15 Feb 2003
namely, that it was king Davit 'narin' (d 1293) who would have been the father of 'Demetrius II, king of Georgia 1273-1289' - and Davit 'narin' to have his children by his 'Palaiologina' wife.
and this is really a boggled genealogy.
It should be well known that king Demetre II was not son of king Davit 'narin'. Demetre II's official paternal filiation (to king Davit VII 'Ulu') is fairly well presented in chronicle material about that cuntry, and really, there is no even near-contemporary testimony that Demetre II would haven been son of Davit 'narin'.
Moreover, it is questionable whether Davit 'narin' had any surviving children with that Palaiologina one of his several wives.
If that filiation, that 'Demetrius II' were son of Dsvit 'narin', comes from Rüdt-Collenberg, then Rüdt-Collenberg is sadly deficient in its genealogical information. Even sadder that Runciman.
(Runciman only made a somewhat unlucky reconstruction of an undefined kinship, whereas the Demetre II-Davit 'Narin' filiation is outright boggled.)
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