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From: CE Wood <>
Subject: Re: Complete Peerage Correction: Sir Edmund Sheffield's mother, Margaret Zouche
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:41:06 -0800 (PST)
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Thanks, Douglas. Rather overwhelming.
On Nov 17, 1:38 pm, Douglas Richardson <> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 12:57 pm, CE Wood <> wrote:
> < Before it was taken off-line, I noted that CP VII:234 named the wife
> < of John la Zouche as Elizabeth Saint John. What is the reference
> < calling her Eleanor?
> < CE Wood
> Dear Carolyn ~
> I've already commented on this error in Complete Peerage. Actually
> there are several references to Eleanor Saint John, some of which I've
> previously listed.
> But here are three more. The first reference shows her first marriage
> to John Zouche. The second item shows her 2nd marriage to John
> Melton. The third item identifies Eleanor as the surviving wife and
> co-executrix of her 1st husband, John Zouche, Esq.
> 1. 1613 Vis. of Huntingdon (Camden Soc. 43) (1849): 2 (St. John
> pedigree: “Eleonora [St. John], uxor Joh’is Zouche de Codnor”). This
> item may be viewed at the following weblink:
> 2. 1563–4 Vis. of Yorkshire (H.S.P. 16) (1881): 202–203 (Melton ped.:
> “Sir John Melton  = Ales doughter of Sir John Stanley of the Pype,
>  = Elenor doughter of …. St. John that maryed …. doughter of …..
> Bradshaw, [and widow of] …. Sowche.”). This item may be viewed at the
> following weblink:
> doughter of Sir John Stanley of the Pype&f=false
> 3. National Archives, C 1/599/55 (abs. of doc. available online athttp://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
> Chancery Proceeding dated 1518–1529: David, son of John Zouche, Esq.,
> of Codnor, sued John Saint John, Knt., and Richard Burton, Esq.,
> feoffees to uses regarding refusal to convey parcel of the manors of
> Westoning, Bedfordshire, Benefield, Northamptonshire, and Codnor (in
> Heanor), Heanor, and Loscoe, Derbyshire as devised by complainant’s
> said father, whose executors are the said Richard and Eleanor, late
> wife of the testator.
> Also, there appears to be an inquisition post mortem for Eleanor
> (Saint John) (Zouche) Melton dated 11 Henry 8 [1519-20], which names
> her son and heir as being Sir John Zouch, then aged 30 and more. The
> inquisition is cited by Baker, History & Antiqs. of Northampton, 1
> (1822–30): 673 (Melton pedigree).
> The confusion over Eleanor Saint John's given name appears to have
> occurred due to her aunt, Elizabeth Saint John, having been married to
> William la Zouche, Lord Zouche and Seymour. As such, a Saint John
> niece and her aunt married a Zouche nephew and uncle respectively. It
> would appear that Eleanor's given name was carelessly confused with
> that of her aunt, Elizabeth, both of which ladies married Zouche men.
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah