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From: lostcopper <>
Subject: Re: those Butlers again
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:07:27 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 23, 9:55 am, lostcopper <> wrote:
> On Mar 22, 10:19 pm, John <> wrote:
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> > On Mar 22, 3:12 pm, wrote:
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> > > In a message dated 3/21/2010 8:00:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> > > writes:
> > > > Thank you for clearing this up! This gives my William descents from
> > > > Butler of Mountgarret & from the Viscount Galmoye as well as Piers
> > > > FitzThomas Butler. That is much more fun to study than the Archdeacon
> > > > of Waterford. As for the second question, I'm surprised that the
> > > > "tradition" was even published. I looked, belatedly, at the SGM
> > > > archives & found that the exact question came up in the past, but was
> > > > left unanswered. Thanks again, Bronwen
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> > > You had mentioned Elizabeth Butler who is stated to have married in 1788 to
> > > Thomas McLaughlin.
> > > If that year of marriage is correct I'd be quite surprised if she were not
> > > also by the first wife who was yet living in 1775.
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> > > Will
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> > Will is probably correct with respect to the maternity of Elizabeth
> > Butler, which would agree with that of her brother William (Bronwen's
> > ancestor).  But it's worth remembering that presently the only
> > evidence for allocating the children of Theobald ("Big Toby") between
> > his two wives is the statement in the 1976 BIFR that the first wife
> > Bridget Butler d. shortly after 1774.  It would useful to know how
> > this approximate death date was arrived at, and the date of the 2nd
> > marriage would certainly also be useful to know.
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> > At any rate, Bronwen certainly has some rich ancestry in both of these
> > Butler lines.  According to my data, Bronwen's ancestor William Butler
> > (d. 1812) has 27 lines of descent from Edward I and 143 from Geoffrey
> > Plantagenet.  Not bad!!- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> Leo  & Ian were kind enough to include me in their "Plantagenet
> Cousins" (2007) with 479 lines from Geoffrey Plantagenet through the
> Campbells.  Another line, through Graham, stems from James V &
> Margaret Tudor. Now if I could just get a dollar for each line of
> royal descent (or a good cup of coffee), I'd be all set. Great fun if
> you don't take it too seriously! Best, Bronwen- Hide quoted text -
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Oops - that should be James IV & Margaret Tudor. The line is, however,
through their son, James V, & a concubine, Euphemia Elphinstone. -
Bronwen



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