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From: "Peter Stewart" <>
Subject: Re: Agatha de Hommet
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 08:11:53 +1100
"Peter Stewart" <> wrote in message
> "xager8on" <> wrote in message
>> Peter, thanks for the links and confirms what I had. Another question,
>> which I have been unable to substantiate with sources. Jim Weber,
>> having errors with "whose who" in the du Hommet family, has Williams
>> wife as Lucy de Haye. Can be viewed at
>> Unfortunately a number of websites show the same marriage but no
>> supportive evidence to claim she is of the "de Haye" family. I have
>> read a number of books, but there is nothing to persuade me that she
>> is "de Haye" or "du Neubourg" based on facts.
>> One thing to note in my research is that in the book Henry II: new
>> intepretations, pg. 112, states in the footnote "Lucy, wife of William
>> the constable (d. c1206), remains unidentified, but may have been a
>> sister of Henry du Neubourg: see Cartularies of Southwick Priory, ii.
>> 23 (iii. 72)".
>> I have no library close enough to view Cartularies of Southwick
>> Priory, ii. 23 (iii. 72). Was Henry the son of Robert I du Neubourg?
>> Is this enough to support her ancestry?
> Not in my view - it's a donation to Southwick priory by Robert de
> Neubourg, made ca 1190, "for his salvation and for the soul of his friend,
> Lucy de Humetis, and for the souls of all his ancestors, kindred and
> It does indicate that Lucy had died by the time of the charter, but not
> necessarily her direct relationship to the donor's family.
I should have added: Lucy was buried at Southwick priory and Robert de
Neubourg was not the only patron to make a donation naming her - see part
ii. p. 19 no. III 53, a donation by Ralph de Beaumont "for the souls of Lady
Lucy de Humet' of pious memory, and of his father Nicholas, whose bodies are
buried at Southwick; for the soul of Sir Richard de Humet', and for the
salvation of himself and of all his lords and friends".
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