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From: "John P. Ravilious" <>
Subject: Re: Sibyl de Valoignes
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:55:24 -0800 (PST)
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On Jan 3, 3:26 pm, John Watson <> wrote:
> On Jan 1, 11:30 pm, Ronald Di Iorio <> wrote:
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> > I have no evidence as to her parentage and would like to see some myself.  Here is the note I have in my database:
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> > "After the death of her third husband she became a nun at Appleton Priory and died there.  She is often confused with Sibyl de Valognes who married  Robert de Stuteville.  That Sibyl was the daughter of Philip. de Valoines of Panmure (d. 1215), chamberlain to the king of Scots.
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> > The thrice married Sibyl could be the sister of Philip."
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> > Ron
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> > --- On Sat, 1/1/11, John Watson <> wrote:
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> > > From: John Watson <>
> > > Subject: Sibyl de Valoignes
> > > To:
> > > Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 10:16 AM
> > > Hi all,
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> > > Does anyone know of any evidence pointing to the parentage
> > > of Sibyl de
> > > Valoignes, who married firstly Robert de Ros of Helmsley
> > > (d. ca.
> > > 1162), secondly, about 1166 William de Percy (d. ca. 1174)
> > > and thirdly
> > > in 1182, Ralph d'Aubigny (d. 1191).
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> > > Regards,
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> > > John
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> Hi,
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> I have Sybil as the daughter of Roger de Valoignes and Agnes, and
> sister of Philip de Valoignes (and sister also of Peter, Robert,
> Geoffrey, John and Roger) which seems to fit most of the known facts.
> Agnes gave land to Binham for the souls of her sons and daughters, so
> we know she had daughters. But I have searched in vain for a charter
> of any of these Valoignes which is witnessed by any of Sybil's three
> husbands or her children (or vice versa) which would tend to confirm
> the relationship.
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> Regards,
>
> John- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

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Dear John,

This placement of Sibyl de Valoines is sound if unproven. We
certainly know Philip de Valoines (d. 1215) had a daughter Sibyl,
called 'Sibille filie mee' in his charter granting Torpenhow to her
and her husband Robert de Stuteville [Reg. de Panmure II:124]. Bssed
on the witnesses, this charter can be dated ca 1195 x 7 Aug 1205.
Eustace de Stuteville (dsp bef 18 Oct 1241) was Sibyl's son and heir.

There was another Valoines sibling: Cecily, wife of Henry de
Essex, sheriff of Essex (d. 1163 or later), by whom she was the
ancestress of the de Vere Earls of Oxford &c. Cecily's daughter
Gunnora de Essex was evidently called 'neptis mee' or similar in a
charter of Agnes de Valoines, interpreted as niece until Rosie Bevan
corrected this in 2003 [R. Bevan, <Re: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John>,
SGM, 18 Apr 2003].

Cheers,

John


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