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From: "Peter Stewart" <>
Subject: Re: Sibyl de Valoignes
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:17:21 +1100
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"John Watson" <> wrote in message
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> On Jan 5, 3:53 am, "John P. Ravilious" <> wrote:
> >, Gundreda allegedly had a sister Ela (or similar) held by many
> > to have been the 'nepta' of King Malcolm IV married to
> > Duncan, Earl of Fife (d. aft 17 Jun 1203).
>
> Hi John,
>
> Now you have me completely puzzled. If Ela was the 'nepta' or niece
> of King Malcolm IV, then she was not the daughter of Reginald de
> Warenne and Alice de Wormegay. As Malcolm was the son of Henry
> of Scotland and Ada de Warenne, it seems more likely to me that one
> of their offspring used the Warenne family name.

The suggestion is that 'neptis' in Malcolm IV's charter meant a younger
cousin rather than a niece - see 'The Earls of Fife in the 12th Century' by
Geoffrey Barrow at
http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_087/87_051_062.pdf,
pp. 53-54.

Peter Stewart


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