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From: taf <>
Subject: Re: New reconstruction of early Banu Qasi
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 22:54:20 -0800 (PST)
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On Feb 4, 11:53 am, Mara <> wrote:

> Hello Todd,
> Pending receipt of the book you mentioned, I went over the version I
> have of el Muqtabis II, 1 of Ben Hayyan.  It was published in 2003 by
> the Real Academia de Historia (RAH) and the authors are Joaquín Vallvé
> and Francisco Ruiz Girela. It is based the original late manuscript of
> Ibn Hayyan  which was part of the legacy of Emilio García Gómez and
> deposited at the RAH.
> In p. 110-111 it mentions what Isa ben Ahmad al Razi had recorded
> about the death of Musa ben Fortún (herewith the translation): "And on
> the of du l-hiyya of this year (3 Feb-4 March 797) Musa ben Fortún was
> killed". This is followed by a footnote: "According to al Udri, 27/21,
> 20, Fortun ben Musa, probably his son (of Musa ben Fortún) had risen
> against the emir Al Hakkam (I) in Zaragoza but was killed in the same
> city on du l-hiyya of the year 186 (dic. 802).  It does not refer to
> Musa ben Fortún, as Fernando de la Granja believed, who corrected the
> Arabic text twice". Dont know if this helps, but will get back when I
> read the other book.

I just noticed this. The 797 date differs from the 789 date I have
seen given this same event. Such a date would knock almost a decade
off the minimum age of Musa ibn Musa, and go a step to resolving the
chronological issue without adding extra generations. On the other
hand it would make Musa much younger than his prospective half-
brothers, Mutarrif and Fortun.

I do see I had the dates corresponding to volume numbers confused in
my earlier post. It must be a later volume that would have contained
the critical period of Fortun Garces. ~~~~


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