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From: "Doug Thompson" <>
Subject: Re: Ancestry of Beatrix de Braose/de Brewes (who m Hugh Shirley)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:45:33 -0000
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You can find Paul Mackenzie's work and some additions at

http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thompson/BraoseWeb/family/beatrix.html

The present state of information is that Joan de Percy is almost certainly
not the mother of Beatrix.

It is almost certain that Peter Brewes had a second wife called Joan.

There is (reasoned) speculation that she may have been a Howard.

Despite Douglas Richardson's book, there is no evidence of the existence
of this Joan Howard. let alone her ancestry!

Doug Thompson



"Sholom Simon" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I'm doing research for a friend, who turns out to be a descendant of
> Edmund Hawes -- who eventually connects up with royalty through Shirley,
> then de Braose.
>
> In NEHGR 142:242 (which is, in turn, cited by Weis, Ancestral Routes, 8th
> Ed, line 122A), we find that Beatrix de Braose (d 1440) was the daughter
> of Peter de Braose and Joan de Percy. There is no mention of a second
> wife for Peter. We see the same thing at NEHGR 150:315+
>
> (Gov. Dudley comes from this line, too)
>
> In Richardson's books (Plantagenet Ances. and M.C.Ances.) he mentions a
> second wife of Peter's -- Joan Howard, and asserts that Beatrix is a
> daughter of this second marriage. (Curiously, among the voluminous
> citations are both NEHGR articles).
>
> Anybody know what the story is here? Was there one, or two wives? If
> two, which one was the mother of Beatrix, and why is the other source
> incorrect?
>
> Any help would be appreciated!
>
> -- Sholom
>
>

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