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From: "Doug Thompson" <>
Subject: Re: Ancestry of Beatrix de Braose/de Brewes (who m Hugh Shirley)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:45:33 -0000
You can find Paul Mackenzie's work and some additions at
The present state of information is that Joan de Percy is almost certainly
not the mother of Beatrix.
It is almost certain that Peter Brewes had a second wife called Joan.
There is (reasoned) speculation that she may have been a Howard.
Despite Douglas Richardson's book, there is no evidence of the existence
of this Joan Howard. let alone her ancestry!
"Sholom Simon" <> wrote in message
> I'm doing research for a friend, who turns out to be a descendant of
> Edmund Hawes -- who eventually connects up with royalty through Shirley,
> then de Braose.
> In NEHGR 142:242 (which is, in turn, cited by Weis, Ancestral Routes, 8th
> Ed, line 122A), we find that Beatrix de Braose (d 1440) was the daughter
> of Peter de Braose and Joan de Percy. There is no mention of a second
> wife for Peter. We see the same thing at NEHGR 150:315+
> (Gov. Dudley comes from this line, too)
> In Richardson's books (Plantagenet Ances. and M.C.Ances.) he mentions a
> second wife of Peter's -- Joan Howard, and asserts that Beatrix is a
> daughter of this second marriage. (Curiously, among the voluminous
> citations are both NEHGR articles).
> Anybody know what the story is here? Was there one, or two wives? If
> two, which one was the mother of Beatrix, and why is the other source
> Any help would be appreciated!
> -- Sholom
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