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From: "TJ Booth_aol" <>
Subject: Re: Vavasour
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:54:07 -0500
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Sorry for the late reply, but was on vacation. Seeing, among other
things, the Aachen Cathedral where Charlemagne's remains are kept and where
he was crowned. Also Trier, the once Roman capital of Western Europe where
Constantine the Great's wife Flavia Maxima Fausta donated the land for its
Cathedral. The Cathedral museum contains the restored ceiling frescoes from
Flavia's room over which the Cathedral was built (discovered during cleanup
of WWII damage to the cathedral). Seeing it all makes it fairly easy to
grasp how the Roman and Frank civilizations merged given the geography, and
makes the efforts of Settipani and others to document likely Descents from
Antiquity a very credible and meaningful exercise. The Roman's Trier and the
Frank's Aachen (also called Aix-la-Chappelle) are only 80 miles from each
other.

Regarding Vavasour, 3 related records. The first confirms the Peter
Middleton to Anne Vavasour marriage likely about the 1470/73 date of the
fine, the second and third noting both the Alice Middleton to Richard Peck
marriage and that of their son John to Jane Anne, based on memorial stones
recorded in 1585 and 1618.

UK National Archives; C 1/49/8; [1470-73] Court of Chancery: Six Clerks
Office: Early Procee... Henry Vavasour, knight v. William Middilton and
Margaret [Hamerton], his wife, Thomas Middilton and Johane, his wife.: Levy
of a fine in favour of Thomas and Johane, of land in Brakanthwayte and
Little Ribston in breach of promise to let the same descend to Piers,
grandson of William Middilton, and husband of Anne [Vavasour], complainant's
daughter.: York. [Since Henry Vavasour Esq. m. Joan Langton d. bef 10 Aug
1462, clearly Anne's father was the Sir Henry d. 22 Dec 1499 who m. Joan
Gascoigne]

from 'Dodsworth's Church Notes' in 'Yorkshire Record Series' Vol XXXIV
(1904) @ http://books.google.com/books?id=zegGAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA49 . [his notes
are dated Jan 21 1618]
"Here lyeth buried Richard Pek of Wakefeild, esquire, and Alce, his wief,
daughter of Peter Midleton of Stokeld, knight, and had yssue 2 sons and 4
daughters. He dyed anno Domini 1516, 24 Junii.
'Here lyeth buried John Pek [*} of Wakefeild and Jane, his wief, daughter
of John Anne of Fricklay, who had yssue ix sons and ix daughters, and dyed
att Wakefeild the 4 of January, anno Domini 1558
Windowes on the North side of the quyer.
1. Orate pro bono statu Ricardi Staynton the rest gone.
2. Orate pro bono statu Ricardi Pek[**] armigeri, et Johanne, uxor[is]
ejus, et filiorum eorundem, qui istam fenestram fieri fecerunt.
In itt, ar., on a chevron engrailed gu. 3 crosses putees ar.-Peke.
The same impaled with ar. 6 ogresses.-[Lacy.]
Per pale ar. fretty sa. [?], a label of three points gu. [? Harrington}
2° ar. on a bend sa. 3 peuter potts of the first.-[Sewer.]
[*] Son of the above Richard Peck. His will 2 Nov 1558, was proved 17 Feb
1559.
[**] Father of Richard Peck, who married Alice Midelton (see note above).
He himself married Joan, dau of John Harrington. His mother was Isabel,
daughter of John Lacy. For the Peck Pedigree see Glover's Visitation

The arms and inscriptions were also recorded by Glover in 1584 which
essentially match the above (see p. 472 of his Yorkshire Visitation, not
online). F. S. Colman discusses them in 'History of Barwick-in-Elmet';
Publications of the Thoresby Society, Volume 17 (1908); page 45 @
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZRItAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA45 , and adds further
interpretation as follows : "Peck (?), Copley and Harrington. Sir Richard
Copley, who died in 1434, married as his second wife Elizabeth daughter and
heir of John Harrington, of Doncaster. Their son William married as his
second wife Margaret daughter of Sir William Rither and widow of John
Grenefield of Barnbow. Richard Peck, father of him referred to in No. 7,
married Joan, daughter of John Harrington, and from the quarterings it looks
as if there had been an alliance between Peck and Copley after the marriage
with Harrington, but there is no proof of this.)".

What Dodsworth noted as Harrington and Sewer arms, Colman interpreted as
Copley and Harrington, either of which is consistent with the marriage of
Richard Copley d. 1434 to Elizabeth Harrington, dau of John Esq. and
Elizabeth Sewer. My current view, which fits the chronology, is that Jane
Anne's maternal grandparents were Thomas Preston Esq. [he is shown in the
pedigrees with an unidentified wife, both b. say 1430] and a dau of Richard
Copley by Elizabeth Harrington [suggested by the arms but no other record].

In agreement with John, there are no records indicating a second marriage
of Anne Vavasour.

Terry Booth
Chicago IL

----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <>
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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Vavasour


On May 5, 2:36 am, wrote:
> I am having problems situating Ann Vavasour, daughter of Sir Henry, of
> Hazlewood, married to Sir Peter Middleton of Stockeld. He died c 1497, she
> re-married Sir Anthony Clifford.
>
> One of their daughters, Alice, married my ancestor Richard Peck of
> Haselden.
>
> To which Henry Vavasour was she daughter? there are several in that time
> frame.
>
> thanks
>
> Peter

FWIW both of these families are covered in vol. 2 of J. W. Clay's
edition of Dugdale's 1664-5 visitation of Yorkshire, which it (or was)
available on Google Books (I don't presently have the URL as I
downloaded in some time ago and am referring to that copy).

In the Middleton pedigree, the wife of Sir Peter Middleton of Stockeld
(who d. prior to 21 Apr 1499 [date of adm.]) is named Anne, daughter
of Sir Henry Vavasour of Hazlewood. The Middleton pedigree also shows
the daughter Alice you mention who married Richard Peck of Haselton.
(For those who are interested - and apropos of last Friday's
festivities - both Alice and her brother Sir William Middleton are
ancestors of Prince William)

The Vavasour pedigree lists among the children of Sir Henry Vavasour
and his wife Joan Gascoigne a daughter Katherine (not Anne) married to
Sir Peter Middleton of Stockeld. I can't explain the discrepancy in
the name of the daughter between the two pedigrees. Also, neither
pedigree mentions a second marriage of the daughter to Sir Anthony
Clifford - nor is there any other Clifford marriage indicated in the
Vavasour pedigree.

It should be noted that Clay's edition adds considerable information
extending beyond the original content of Dugdale's visitation. Clay
was a careful and well-regarded genealogist and his sources are
generally identifiable, but that's not to say that his work is without
error.

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