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From: "Lisa Beitchef" <>
Subject: FW: Harleston
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 09:53:46 +1300
I know the website you are talking about and the probelem is there are no
references. I have been through my research and have found this reference:
The ancient family of Naunton became seated in this parish soon after the
Conquest, and gave name to the manor still called Naunton Hall. In the reign
of King Henry III., Henry de Naunton married a daughter of Tye, and by her
had issue two sons, Hugo and Richard; the former resided here in the time of
King Edward II.
He married Eleanor, the daughter of Robert de Vere, Earl of Oxford, by whom
he had issue, Hugo de Naunton, from whom descended the Letheringham branch;
Bartholomew de Naunton, and Sir Thomas de Naunton, Knt., who settled at
Rougham, near St. Edmund's Bury. Sir Bartholomew, their second son, dwelt at
Naunton Hall, in this parish, in the time of King Richard II.The link is
This reference may fix up this discrepancy not sure? I thought Robert de
Vere also had a son Thomas who married Peronelle la Marischale but died in
abt 1329 without issue. The title then reverting back to Roberts brothers
son Sir Alphonsus de Vere who then became the 7th Earl of Oxford.
From: Leo [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:10 PM
To: Lisa Beitchef;
Subject: Re: Harleston
It is a good (but also a dangerous) thing to Google first. I just did this
and found a very interesting page abour (Sir) Richard Harleston, he
certainly seems to have had a colourful life.
There is a remark about his parentage : His family tree has been well
researched by specialists in medieval genealogy, although there is some
dispute over who exactly was his father.
Then there is a line at the bottom and when you press you get a line from
King John to the Harleston family. Here Richard is given John Harleston and
Alice Clopton as parents but he is not given a wife.
What I prefer doing is check such lineages to see if there are any
discrepancies. And I think there is one.
In the line is a simple Robert de Vere 1257-1331, married to Margaret de
Robert de Vere turns out to be 6th Earl of Oxford and you can find him in CP
Volume X page 219. If you read his details, there is a remark he died
without issue, breaking the displayed line.
However, what I find interesting, is that Richard Harleston via his daughter
is an ancestor of the Carteret family and so, if all is correct, an ancestor
of and Prince William and also of Sarah Ferguson.
I hope someone else can add more positive information to this.
With Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Beitchef" <>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:14 AM
> Can any one confirm the parentage of
> Vice Admiral of England Sir Richard Harleston Governor of Jersey as John
> Harleston Armiger of Shimpling, Suffolk and Alice de Clopton?
> Richards daughter was Marguerite Harleston who married Sir Philippe de
> Carteret Seigneur of St Ouen Channel islands
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