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From: John Watson <>
Subject: Re: Matilda de Vesci, wife of Thomas de Muschamp (d. 1190)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:47:51 -0800 (PST)
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On Jan 23, 2:52 pm, Alex Maxwell Findlater
<> wrote:
> Thank you for this additional information.  I have two requests.
>
> Do we know how the Muschamps of Musham relate to the Muschamps of
> Wooler?
>
> How sure are you that Thomas de Muschamps died by 1185?  The
> chronology in the de Vesci family would favour later dates for his
> wife, and therefore by implication for his son.

Alex,

Here are my notes for Thomas de Muschamps of Wooler:

In 1168, the "carta" of Stephen de Bulmer in Northumberland, shows his
son Thomas, "Thomam filium meum" holding 1 fee of the new feoffment
[1].

Stephen de Bulmer and Thomas de Muscamp his heir, "Thomas de Muscamp
haeres meus," approved an arrangement about the fishery on the Tees
between the monks of Reivaulx and Walter de Stainsby [2].

In 1172, Thomas son of Stephen de Bulmer paid 100s. scutage in
Northumberland [3].

Thomas de Muschamps died in (probably before) 1190, when Robert his
son gave 200 marks for his relief [4].

In 1182, Thomas de Muschamps paid 35l. 18d. for his lands in
Northumberland. He appears in the Pipe Roll of 1183, but in 1185, his
lands were in the king's custody [5].

Sources:
1. John Hodgson, History of Northumberland, Part III, Vol. III
(Newcastle: 1835) p. 303
2. Surtees Society, Vol. 83, Cartularium Abbathiae de Rievalle
(Durham: 1889) p. 221, No. CCCXV
3. John Hodgson, History of Northumberland, Part III, Vol. III
(Newcastle: 1835) p. 21
4. William Farrer, Early Yorkshire Charters, Vol. II (Edinburgh: 1915)
p. 127
5. John Hodgson, History of Northumberland, Part III, Vol. III
(Newcastle: 1835) pp. 34-37


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