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------------------------------ GEN-NEWBIE-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 37 Today's Topics: Re: [Fwd: Re: Soc.Sec.Death Index Qu [ (judith murphy) ] Re: Halbert's Family Registry [ Linda Muessig <> ] Pardons [ ] Re: Halbert's Family Registry [ Laurel Egenberger < ] SSDI Location different [ "Kristina Kole" < ] FAR WEST ROOTS [ Bonnie Stockton <> ] Re: FAR WEST ROOTS [ Lucinda L Wales <> ] New Webb Page [ (Geri Kanner) ] Re: FAR WEST ROOTS [ ] Re: FAR WEST ROOTS [ ] Re: Halbert's Family Registry [ Mark Merritt < ] Goofed again [ (Harry Huntsman ] new citizen of the web [ "RonaldM McEwan" < ] Lawrence Co, Indiana Tax Lists [ ] Re: Another SS puzzle [ (judith murphy) ] Re: Halbert's Family Registry [ ] Re: Another SS puzzle [ (Vicky Bair) ] Dates [ (Ruth Barton) ] Re: Another SS puzzle [ Lawrence Harvey Dunbar < ] How do I unsub? [ The Hagen Family <. ] Harry's email woes [ ctbeck <> ] Returned mail: wworld: host not foun [ (Harold Templeton) ] Re: NR on 1900 census [ ] SSAN Documents [ ] Re: NR on 1900 census [ ] Re: Harry's email woes [ "Lary Dunbar" < ] SIMMS [ Leroy Kloss <> ] Re: NR on 1900 census [ Shirley Moser <> ] Sullivan; CATHERINE my great grandmo [ LYNN D MANCUSO <> ] Re: Another SS puzzle [ (judith murphy) ] Sullivan; CATHERINE my great grandmo [ LYNN D MANCUSO <> ] SS [ ] Test [ (Harry Huntsman ] Posting Problem [ (Harry Huntsman ] Re: Halbert's Family Registry [ drennan virginia a < ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:00:35 -0500 (EST) From: (judith murphy) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Soc.Sec.Death Index Question] I have been trying to locate one, but so far no luck -- but, with so much going CD and online maybe we will eventually see it. If anyone has found the civil service retiree/death lists or any railroad retiree lists I would sure like to know about it, as I am sure we all would. Same with the military retirees, although since they are under Social Security (started in 1950 I think it was -- but memory may be wrong on this date) I am pretty sure they would be on, but the pre-Social Security ones shouls still have a list out there somewhere, one would think. I do know that if you send the social security and/or military number, name of person, last place you think he/she served, and anything else you think could be pertinent, and send with a letter inside (sealed, with only your return address on the outside) to the place that handles the specific military group (I only know Air Force is Randolph AFB) then they will forward your letter to the person's last known address. It is great for finding lost "buddies", But that doesn't help us with the deceased or our genealogical research. Judy M. >Hi Judi, > >Read your reply about those that are not on the soc.sec death index--is >there one for those who are deceased who received civil service >retirement because of government or military service?? Thanks for any >help you could give >Jeanette >"TIME IS INEVITABLE, IT WILL ALWAYS PASS" >Simons---Leathers---Kinna---Phythian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:48:35 -0500 From: Linda Muessig <> Subject: Re: Halbert's Family Registry Judi Montgomery wrote: > > In 1995 I received an invitation to purchase a copy of the World Book of Badours > from Halbert's in Toronto, Ontario. For my $28.95 + post & handling & tax, > I received a history book on the settling of Canada, list of common names of > the world, how to create my own coat of arms, how to being a family tree and > names and addresses of Badour's around the world, many of them incomplete > addresses and obviously taken from tax rolls or phone books. No family > connections, no family histories, no personal accounts. In other words, no > use to me. > Now I receive an invitation to purchase a 'remarkable new book about > the Peterson family, and you are in it!' Distributed by someone in Markham, > Ontario it is supposed to contain indexing of the Peterson family from > passenger lists, genealogical resisters and other official records, early > Peterson settlers and drawing of the Peterson coat of Arms all for only > $39.95 + post + handling + tax. Does anyone know if these people are really > researchers, or am I about to get ripped off again??? > Judi > -------------------------------- > Judi Montgomery > CompuBilling > > --------------------------------Hi Judy, You are about to get ripped off again. The only thing they have done is SSDI run and addresses of others of the same Surname. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 21:00:05 PST From: Subject: Pardons During my research I have come across a paper signed by the sheriff which states that my ancestor was being liberated from custody by virtue of a pardon issued by Governor of the Commonwealth (PA) - any ideas on where I might start to search to see if I can find out if this is real and what he might have done to need a pardon - it is dated June 1872. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 22:00:32 -0800 From: Laurel Egenberger <> Subject: Re: Halbert's Family Registry At 7:51 PM -0800 1/27/97, Mark Merritt wrote: > >Very, VERY well said. This portion of your note belongs on the GEN-NEWBY >archive so that anyone considering reaching into the cold dark world out >there has a bit of a guidepost. Thanks much, Laurel for sharing it with us. Nice words, Mike. But I liked better your suggestion of spending the money for dinner and asking the waiter about one's family :-) !!!!! --Laurel ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 1997 06:27:56 -0000 From: "Kristina Kole" <> Subject: SSDI Location different Karlyn: Two questions arise in my mind: 1. Was there an estate probated by a lawyer who received mail at that zip? or 2. Was the county seat in that zip and the last benefits sent to county clerk of Court? Either is a possiblity though unusual. Kris Kole --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:45:58 -0000 From: Bonnie Stockton <> Subject: FAR WEST ROOTS This Newbie had previously subscribed to NOR CAL which I eventually noticed was for pretty much what it said; Northern Calif. I wrote and asked about the central Calif. area and was told I needed FAR WEST ROOTS. I wrote to the "Maiser" address and put "SUB FAR WEST ROOTS" in the message. I got back an error message ( 3 pages) from Maiser, that did not really explain what I, personally, had done wrong. Does anyone know the address for FAR WEST ROOTS? (Yes, I'm new to this list, my Window's 95, research on the computer and on-line searching. I have been working on my genealogy off and on for 20 years or so [mostly talking to family members, looking up dc's etc] and I'm either doing something wrong with my computer searches or the downtown library is still the best way to go. Maybe I expected too much from on-line?) Thanks for any help, Bonnie Stockton () Newport, Wa. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:29:25 -0800 From: Lucinda L Wales <> Subject: Re: FAR WEST ROOTS Hi Bonnie, You did pretty good at your attempt to subscribe to the far-west-roots mailing list. Its just these darn computers are soooooo picky! The only thing you didnt include, were the little dashes between the words far, west, and roots. I copied this for you: FAR-WEST-ROOTS. Discussions of genealogical and historical research in California, Nevada, and Hawaii. Mailing address for postings is . To subscribe, send the following to : SUB FAR-WEST-ROOTS Hope this helps, Lucinda Bonnie Stockton wrote: > > This Newbie had previously subscribed to NOR CAL which I eventually noticed > was for pretty much what it said; Northern Calif. I wrote and asked about > the central Calif. area and was told I needed FAR WEST ROOTS. I wrote to > the "Maiser" address and put "SUB FAR WEST ROOTS" in the message. I got > back an error message ( 3 pages) from Maiser, that did not really explain > what I, personally, had done wrong. > > Does anyone know the address for FAR WEST ROOTS? > > (Yes, I'm new to this list, my Window's 95, research on the computer and > on-line searching. I have been working on my genealogy off and on for 20 > years or so [mostly talking to family members, looking up dc's etc] and I'm > either doing something wrong with my computer searches or the downtown > library is still the best way to go. Maybe I expected too much from > on-line?) > > Thanks for any help, > Bonnie Stockton () > Newport, Wa. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:50:49 -0800 From: (Geri Kanner) Subject: New Webb Page Well this was long over due but finally got started on it... It is still under construction but....it is up and running COUSINS BY THE DOZENS DIRECT DESENDENTS OF MARTIN AND ANNETJE RAPELJE RYERSON With a seperate page on Geraldine Ryerson and her Direct Line (Cornelius) for thoes seeking Lounsbury family there is a referral page on there http://www.cpyote.accessnv.com/sheldy1 come and take a peek............ Geri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:47:38 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: FAR WEST ROOTS In a message dated 97-01-28 02:15:52 EST, you write: << Does anyone know the address for FAR WEST ROOTS? >> Hi Bonnie, Here is a copy of part of the message I got back from MAISER when I was looking for a list. If you send a message to and ask for LIST@.TXT, it will send you all the genealogy lists and how to subscribe to them. Phil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ Because the files had grown so large, they are now split into 5 files. LIST1.TXT General interest files; non-genealogy LIST2.TXT Genealogy files but not family (e.g., state lists) LIST3.TXT Family files; families A - E (first letter of last name) LIST4.TXT Family files; families F - N (first letter of last name) LIST5.TXT Family files; families O - Z (first letter of last name) Send for them by sending a message to SEND LIST1.TXT SEND LIST5.TXT You may send for more than one at once, one per line, with no empty lines between them (as shown above). YOU MUST SPELL THE FILE NAME EXACTLY AS SHOWN HERE: LIST3.TXT is not the same as List-3.text! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 03:05:03 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: FAR WEST ROOTS In a message dated 97-01-28 02:15:52 EST, you write: > > Does anyone know the address for FAR WEST ROOTS? > Try FAR-WEST-ROOTS Computers can be so aggravating even as they are being helpful. Mary Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 19:51:53 -0800 From: Mark Merritt <> Subject: Re: Halbert's Family Registry Hi Laurel Egenberger -- At 7:07 PM -0800 1/27/97, you wrote in part: > It's hard enough to get cooperation, but when I >contact someone, I always tell the person. >* who I am >* how I descend from the common ancestor (if one is established) and how we >are related (especially if we don't have the same surname now) >*what I offer in return for their information--which is usually a sharing >of what I have. {SNIP} Very, VERY well said. This portion of your note belongs on the GEN-NEWBY archive so that anyone considering reaching into the cold dark world out there has a bit of a guidepost. Thanks much, Laurel for sharing it with us. Good luck and good hunting, Mark Merritt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 01:07:12 PST From: (Harry Huntsman) Subject: Goofed again To the Newbie net: My sincerest apologies for putting personal mail through GEN Newbie. Truth is I am hoping some bright person can set me straight. The e-mail I have sent has the proper address and it shows the proper address in the "sent" file but for some reason everyone in the world seems to be getting it. Could someone help! I am using Eudora, W95 but haven't figure out the gliche. Nicknames have been deleted. Sorry, good people. Harry Harry Huntsman --- A Subscriber at Techline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 21:37:42 -0600 From: "RonaldM McEwan" <> Subject: new citizen of the web Hello to one and all. I am rather new to the web although I have had a few experiences in the long-ago(by computer standards). My name is McEwan and I live in Healdsburg, Ca (just 70 miles north of San Francisco) but way out in the 'boonies'. As an immigrant from British Columbia as a youth, I have lost track of much of my family and hope to do some ueful poking around . Any ideas of where to start would ber helpful. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 06:57:53 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Lawrence Co, Indiana Tax Lists Help, My ancestor is supposedly listed in the 1822, Lawrence Co. IN tax lists. How can I find out if he is there and what other info is listed. His name is William Brazzell and wife Mary?? A cuz had sent me info about this ( it was given to her by another cuz) and claims this is my g-g-g-g-grandfather. This is something I have never proved. She lists this tax list as part of her proof. How do I find it and would it give spouse name and childrens names? I have really enjoyed the Newbie list. Karen from Kansas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:28:45 -0500 (EST) From: (judith murphy) Subject: Re: Another SS puzzle The town was listed because that last ($250 I think it is) went to someone who had that town as an address. It may have been the attorney or executor of her estate, it may have been an assignment to a mortitian who works 30 miles away, but lives in that town, it could have been an assignment to the headstone maker, or anyone that accepted this assignment as partial payment for their services (which then the executor of estate signs the papers, sends to social security, and then social security sends last check to that address). But, this is all assumption going on what my sister and I found out about this social security check and assigning it to someone else (at the time of my mother's death) -- the only REAL answer will come when you request the SS records for your grandmother and look at the xerox of the form requesting the last payment. Judy M. >Hi all - This social security stuff is confusing. Something I have >wondered about, but have never asked is this: >My Grandmother is listed on the SSDI and the very last entry, as >I understand it, is where the final payment went. However, it names a >town that my grandmother never lived in or was connected to in any way. > My parents live about ten miles from that town, but have no connection >to it by address, phone or bank, other than the church they belong to >uses it as a mailing address. My grandmother lived and died and was >buried about 30+ miles from that town. She had no connection with my >parents church. I have no idea why that town is listed! Any ideas from >all you knowledgeable people out there? Thanks for any clues. Karlyn > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:58:41 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: Halbert's Family Registry All the information concerning Halbert's Family Registry was very interesting. I was looking for someone to point out that this company is also based in Bath, Ohio. I also fell for their pitch and I imagine this is the same outfit as described as being based in Canada. Does anyone know for sure? Ray Hildebrand ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:12:39 PST From: (Vicky Bair) Subject: Re: Another SS puzzle Hi all, When my mother died this past December--I thought I would receive the death payment. Wrong. SS changed the rules and only give it to the surviving spouse now. So I guess she will be listed in the SSDI eventually. Also researching my children's paternal line --some of them were farmers when SS was in force and they are not found on SSDI. I am assuming since the did not draw SS is the reason they are not listed. Vicky <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:37:00 -0500 (EST) From: (Ruth Barton) Subject: Dates What's the big fuss about dates that are hundreds of years ago? The person is just as dead whether he died on the 21st or 22nd. Ruth Ruth Barton Westminster, Vt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:37:53 -0600 (CST) From: Lawrence Harvey Dunbar <> Subject: Re: Another SS puzzle On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Vicky Bair wrote: > Hi all, > snip> > Also researching my children's paternal line --some of them were farmers > when SS was in force and they are not found on SSDI. I am assuming > since the did not draw SS is the reason they are not listed. > I am not sure when the farmers had to pay SS but at the beginning they did not have to participate (pay) And if you didn't put in you could not take out. When SS was started not everyone was included. Larry Dunbar ------------------------------------------------------------------------- An armed society is a polite society. --Robert Heinlein ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:13:58 -0500 From: The Hagen Family <> Subject: How do I unsub? How do I unsub from this list temporarily? Thanks, Kathleen Hagen (BENNETT) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:10:52 -0600 From: ctbeck <> Subject: Harry's email woes Well, we're trying to figure out why Harry's messages to his friends keep getting posted to GEN-NEWBIE. We're working on the problem and some possible solutions, but Harry's going to be sending some test messages this afternoon and it would be nice if we could all help him figure this out. Ignore the test messages, ok? He's using Windows95, Eudora, and an ISP (not AOL, etc). If you can offer some suggestions or solutions to this problem, please do so. We've all had our little glitches from time to time, and if this has ever happened to you, give Harry some support on this. He's as perplexed as the rest of us! Terry Terry Beck home: work: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:03:19 PST From: (Harold Templeton) Subject: Returned mail: wworld: host not found Dear Teresa - I tried to respond to one of your messages regarding RICHARDSON, but it came back as undeliverable. Please check your return address and let me know so I can forward the information. Harold Templeton Round Lake Beach, IL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:52:16 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: NR on 1900 census Not Related ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 13:59:51 GMT From: Subject: SSAN Documents Hi Fellow Rooters, Can anyone tell me if we can get copies of the social security applications for people that are deceased. I am still Looking for information on Robert L. Long b: May 1855, in Truce Texas, his line of Long's came from Kentucky, what part is still unknown. Ernie Long ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: NR on 1900 census NR means Not related. In some of the older census records they listed maid, farm hand etc instead of NR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:09:27 -0600 From: "Lary Dunbar" <> Subject: Re: Harry's email woes HI I sent a message to Harry I suggested that he check the CC and the BCC to see if they were the problem. Larry Dunbar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:29:15 -0600 From: Leroy Kloss <> Subject: SIMMS I want to upgrade my pc memory. But the language sounds so simple yet is so difficult. I have an 8 mo old IBM compatible with 8 megs, pentium 100, with hard drive. Now. Can I put in EDO? What does non-parity vs parity mean and does it make a difference? What does 4x32 vs 4x36 mean and will it make any difference? I want to put in 32 more megs to speed up a brand new HPscanner. Is that enough? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:27:29 -0500 (EST) From: Shirley Moser <> Subject: Re: NR on 1900 census Thanks for all the answers I've received. I have a choice between Non-resident, Not-related and Not recorded. Since I can't find this person listed with my family before or after the 1900 census....I'm going to assume Gram-ma was baby-sitting on census day. :) Shirley > NR means Not related. In some of the older census records they listed maid, > farm hand etc instead of NR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:49:52 -0600 (CST) From: LYNN D MANCUSO <> Subject: Sullivan; CATHERINE my great grandmother..... _ PURPOSE: to find anyone that might be related to CATHERINE SULLIVAN. I am not posting to expect anyone to research for me but only find others on tJmuh4brU-Q=S e group I just joined who might be researching the samepq3/"F7H Subject: Sullivan; CATHERINE my great grandmother..... Hi Everyone: This is what I know: I'm hoping to contact anyone with SULLIVAN's settling in New Orleans, La., in hopes of finding a connection to my great grandmother..... CATHERINE SULLIVAN born circa 1841 in Galway, Ireland.... Married to Jacques Ambrose "Henri" De Barbieris in 1866 in New Orleans, La. (the Henri is in quotes because that is what he was called)..... CATHERINE and Henri had ten children. I have all of their descendants because of my De Barbieris family research...... CATHERINE SULLIVAN is my paternal great grandmother and I know nothing about her prior to her marriage to Henri. I would like to find out who my paternal great, great grandparents were and if CATHERINE had any siblings or not. I have found no clues of CATHERINE SULLIVAN in the 1860 census. And that is the last census where she would be listed as SULLIVAN. I have checked the area known as the French Quarter in New Orleans because I am assuming that she lived near Henri..... I am suspecting that her name may actually be Mary or Marie CATHERINE..... Any clues or connections, greatly appreciated...... till later, Lynn D. Mancuso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:39:34 -0500 (EST) From: (judith murphy) Subject: Re: Another SS puzzle Anyone who did not pay into social security isn't eligible to receive it unless their spouse was eligible to receive it (or a former spouse of 10 or more years of marriage). Self-employed who did not pay in, farmers, and many other persons are in this group of non-Social Security payees (or is it payors??? english isn't my forte). BUT, just because they did not receive social security does not mean they are NOT on any of the USGovt's lists. Check in the area they were farmers and see if you can't find a grange or other organization they belonged who would have old lists of members, applications, etc. Check the farm bureau records for locality (like township), county, state and USGovt!!! -- Many farmers received checks EACH MONTH in exchange for growing specific crops, for NOT growing specific crops, and for supporting the government with farm goods during the different periods of history (depression, wars, droughts, etc) as well as for the government being allowed to use their lands for government's use (like for the missile silos, radar dishes, etc). Judy M. >On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Vicky Bair wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >snip> >> Also researching my children's paternal line --some of them were farmers >> when SS was in force and they are not found on SSDI. I am assuming >> since the did not draw SS is the reason they are not listed. >> >I am not sure when the farmers had to pay SS but at the beginning they >did not have to participate (pay) And if you didn't put in you could not >take out. When SS was started not everyone was included. > >Larry Dunbar > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >An armed society is a polite society. >--Robert Heinlein > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:14:46 -0600 (CST) From: LYNN D MANCUSO <> Subject: Sullivan; CATHERINE my great grandmother..... Sorry if my last message got posted all messed up. I've only got one phone line and I don't block out my calls. And my phone rang as I was typing this message.... Hi Everyone: This is what I know: I'm hoping to contact anyone with SULLIVAN's settling in New Orleans, La., in hopes of finding a connection to my great grandmother..... CATHERINE SULLIVAN born circa 1841 in Galway, Ireland.... Married to Jacques Ambrose "Henri" De Barbieris in 1866 in New Orleans, La. (the Henri is in quotes because that is what he was called)..... CATHERINE and Henri had ten children. I have all of their descendants because of my De Barbieris family research...... CATHERINE SULLIVAN is my paternal great grandmother and I know nothing about her prior to her marriage to Henri. I would like to find out who my paternal great, great grandparents were and if CATHERINE had any siblings or not. I have found no clues of CATHERINE SULLIVAN in the 1860 census. And that is the last census where she would be listed as SULLIVAN. I have checked the area known as the French Quarter in New Orleans because I am assuming that she lived near Henri..... I am suspecting that her name may actually be Mary or Marie CATHERINE..... Any clues or connections, greatly appreciated...... I am posting this because I am new to this group and hope to contact anyone who might be related to CATHERINE SULLIVAN. I have been doing genealogy for ten years so I don't need research tips..I'm seeking possible relatives. till later, Lynn D. Mancuso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:44:12 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: SS If someone who paid into ss dies (1960's) why wouldn't they be on the ss records? Assuming the spouse did not report the death to the ss is she still eligible to receive the payment? L.W.L. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:45:41 -0800 From: (Harry Huntsman) Subject: Test Hi Joan and Duane: This is a test message as it seems my previous mail to you is going into a list server for some reason. The specialists are now exploring my errant mail. Hope to get on track again soon. Harry Harry Huntsman --- A Subscriber at Techline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:00:37 -0800 From: (Harry Huntsman) Subject: Posting Problem Thank you Terry: Pleased to get your quick response re: my posting problem. I sent the test message you mentioned and although the address was correct and it shows "sent" on the files as the mailing flashes by it is to Gen-Newbie and a mdolfan who is also unhappy they are getting personal mail. I looked for TOOLS but didn't come up with anything. Glad to have concerned folks like you to straiten people out. Mailed to at 9:48 PST (or supposed to be) Regards Harry Harry Huntsman --- A Subscriber at Techline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:16:48 -0600 (CST) From: drennan virginia a <> Subject: Re: Halbert's Family Registry On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 wrote: > All the information concerning Halbert's Family Registry was very > interesting. I was looking for someone to point out that this company is > also based in Bath, Ohio. I also fell for their pitch and I imagine this is > the same outfit as described as being based in Canada. Does anyone know for > sure? > > > Ray Hildebrand > Yes, possible, I read that Halbert's had been prevented from doing business in the US location by court order. The probable just moved. A possible use of their lists. A cousin ordered the book on his name, xeroxed the pages for an area he wanted to search, and sent the book back. They sent him his refund. He then wrote or phoned the people in the book to find anyone who could assist him in his research in that area. We have the "white pages" on the internet to look up phone lists of a name in a state or city, and the SSI index where we can look up a surname for possible research, We probably don't need to use this method to find names of people in an area now. Thanks.