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------------------------------ GEN-NEWBIE-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 38 Today's Topics: Re: Test [ ] COUSINS BY THE DOZENS [ (Geri Kanner) ] Re: Dates [ "G.T. Alligood" < ] Shawneetown, Illinois [ Bonnie Stockton <> ] Found a lost 1/2 sister [ "Ellen E. Hokanson" < ] THANK YOU [ Bonnie Stockton <> ] Re: SSAN Documents [ Carl Eddy < ] Re: Halbert's Family Registry [ Carl Eddy < ] SSDI-farmers and others [ "Kristina Kole" < ] Re: Halbert's Family Registry [ "Karl and D'Layne Reynolds" <nvreyn ] Zip files [ Dennis Gantley <> ] Re: SSAN Documents [ (Vicky Bair) ] Re: Lawrence Co, Indiana Tax Lists [ Carl Eddy < ] Family Tree Maker Home Pages [ Dorothy L Dolan < ] Re: Zip files [ ] Re: FAR WEST ROOTS [ Joan M Jurancich < ] Re: Shawneetown, Illinois [ Carl Eddy < ] Re: Halbert's Family Registry [ Carl Eddy < ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:54:52 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Test The header that you are sending looks like this.... Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:45:41 -0800 To: , From: (Harry Huntsman) Obviously the list address is getting added to the mix somehow. You are using Eudora v1.4.4. Look in your address book for your entry for and see if it includes a second address. If so, that's your culprit. If you can't see your addresses, play around with the cursor in resizing the box. Sometimes the address gets hidden. You might also have a look at the files in your Nicknames directory of Eudora to see whats there. You can safely delete one and rebuild it if necessary, rename it first and see what that does. Some suggestions from a Eudora 3.0 user. At 09:45 AM 1/28/97 -0800, Harry Huntsman wrote: >Hi Joan and Duane: > This is a test message as it seems my previous mail to you is going into >a list server for some reason. >The specialists are now exploring my errant mail. > Hope >to get on track again soon. > > Harry >Harry Huntsman --- A Subscriber at Techline > > All help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Paul ======================================== Paul Allen Rice, N5KCJ, LeFevre Media Services email: homepage:http://www.sky.net/~price Searching for: CARTER; VA,USA > TN,USA; 1817-1900 HAYSLIP; GA,USA > OK,USA; 1850-1900 ISBELL; GA,USA > TX,USA; 1860-1900 LEFEVRE; FRA > NY,USA > NJ,USA; 1660-1750 RICE; WLS > KY,USA > MO,USA; 1822-1904 ROBISON; NC,USA > OK,USA > TX,USA; 1837-1900 SPEED; GA,USA > OK,USA; 1850-1950 TUCKER; GA,USA > TX,USA > OK,USA; 1840-1900 ========================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:50:37 -0800 From: (Geri Kanner) Subject: COUSINS BY THE DOZENS ATTENTION THE CORRECT ADDRESS IS............ HTTP://COYOTE.ACCESSNV.COM/SHELDY1<.......THAT IS A # 1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:13:33 -0500 From: "G.T. Alligood" <> Subject: Re: Dates At 08:37 AM 1/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >What's the big fuss about dates that are hundreds of years ago? The person >is just as dead whether he died on the 21st or 22nd. Ruth > >Ruth Barton >Westminster, Vt > Agree. I try to get the dates but if they can not be found or verified no big deal. I do family tree research for myself and do not plan to publish. An effort is made to try to find dates, but I am most interested in getting the right lineage and members of family together in the right group. In cases where the birth and deaths occurred before State or County records were kept I have had to rely on tombstone information only. Found some of my ancestors were buried in family graveyards and wood markers were used. How long do you think they would last? Had a G-Grandfather that started a family cemetery in North Carolina and he made a rule, "no one is to be buried in this cemetery unless a stone marker with birth and death dates is put up as soon as possible". That cemetery is still maintained by family members and there are stones with dates back to the 1700's. Have been lurking in this news group for a few weeks. Thanks for the tips and lessons. In some ways I am fortunate. My ancestors on both mother and father side were concentrated in one county of North Carolina since about 1720. Have not had much trouble finding the males linage but still difficult to find many of G-G-G Grandmothers maiden names and ancestry. All you Newbies and especially you old timers, keep those tips coming. Have been into this "tree" looking off and on for 20+ years. Didn't get serious until I this electronic gizmo (Computer) and a program to put scraps of paper information in some kind of order. Still learning. Gil Gil Alligood "This too shall pass" Martinez, Ga. USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:00:41 -0000 From: Bonnie Stockton <> Subject: Shawneetown, Illinois I would like to find out if Shawneetown, Illinois was the sight of a Union (Civil War) cemetery and if so, is there a list somewhere of the soldiers interred there. My great-grandfather, Thomas Jefferson Ferrell, died Dec 7, 1861 at Camp Mather, Illinois and was 'removed' to Shawneetown Jan 9, 1862. This is what makes me think there may have been a Union cemetery there (maybe the bodies were shipped elsewhere from there?). Does anyone have any information on this matter? Thank You, Bonnie Stockton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:16:49 +0000 From: "Ellen E. Hokanson" <> Subject: Found a lost 1/2 sister Hi, All; for those who are searching for family, a friend found her sister when she heard from SS that they had her in file but wouldn't release the address. She sent a letter to her sister % the SS office. They forwarded it and her long search has been ended. A letter written the day her letter was delivered started her new year out right! All of our searching on the net didn't do what snail mail could. Nice Ending. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 16:58:03 PST From: Bonnie Stockton <> Subject: THANK YOU [Bonnie innocently used a "forbidden" word in her message, so it landed in the error bucket. This hyper mailing list software sometimes (not always) does that to messages with "subscribe" in the first line. Now, here's Bonnie! --Karen] I wish to thank EVERYONE who replied to my enquiry of how to subscribe to FAR-WEST-ROOTS. Think I have it now! Thanks a million! Bonnie Stockton () ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 97 20:14:22 EST From: Carl Eddy <> Subject: Re: SSAN Documents Here is some helpful info I copied down on SS requests. Good luck, Carl SOCIAL SECURITY RECORDS SEARCH OCT. 1996 This piece is written to answer the Social Security Records question. The Social Security records are accessible to the genealogists through a series of steps, but the "privacy rights" prohibits the administration from giving information on a living person with the exception that a person can get information on their own record. The Social Security Death Index lists only persons who died and their survivor filed for death benefit. With a SS number from the index or from personal paper the next step can be taken, send for the SS-5 form. This form was filled out by the applicant when he/she requested a SS number. It has the applicant full name, address, name of employer and address, age, birth date and place, Father's full name, Mother's maiden name, date of application and applicant signature. This is PRIMARY EVIDENCE because this was filled out by the applicant. Send $7.00, person's name, SS number and a request for the SS-5 form to: Freedom of Information Officer, Social Security Administration, 4-H-8 Annex, 6401 Security Blvd., Baltimore, MD 21235. It can take up to 3 months to get a response. I have used this source more than once. I got my Grandfather's SS number from my Mother's papers and others I found their numbers on the death index which I used to sent for SS-5 form. One example is unusual, but rewarding. I had a Cecil Graham of Wyoming County, WV that I was gathering information on when I found his marriage record, but his wife, Manda Shrewsbury, did not list her parents. I looked on the death index and found a Manda Graham born and died in WV so I took a change and used the SS number to send for SS-5 form. Well I got a bonus because her benefit was based up her husband and they sent me both forms. On these forms were her parents including her Mother's maiden name and his listed information that verified what I had. From Doris Slaughter. +++++++++++ Doris gives excellent information, however, I would like to add some from my personal experience. If there is no entry for the person you are interested in the SSDI, you can often find SS#'s on death certificates. Also, if known, try former employers if you can't get it elsewhere. If you feel that the person may not have had death benefits paid to a living relative (not on SSDI), when you send for the SS-5, include verification of death; ie. (death certificate, cemetery listing, obituary). If they have not paid death benefits, they may not have documentation of death, and so will ask for same if you have not provided it--making the process much longer. If the SS# is not known, they can still do a search, but the cost jumps to $16.50 and the search takes longer.. From Myrna Rowe Uhlig. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 97 20:14:46 EST From: Carl Eddy <> Subject: Re: Halbert's Family Registry The following is reproduced with permission from the NGS Newsletter of March/April 1996: Halbert's, Inc., of Bath, Ohio, a mail order firm that markets surname products, has agreed to the provisions of a cease and desist order issued by the United States Postal Service (USPS) in November 1995. "Halbert's" "Family Book Offer," and "Historic Book Offer" are trade names used by Numa Corporation of Akron, Ohio. On 23 March 1995, the National Genealogical Society (NGS), with the support of the Federation of Genealogical Societies (FGS), submitted to the United States Postal Service's Chief Counsel, Consumer Protection, a 120-page report on Halbert's marketing practices with the request that these practices be investigated. NGS and FGS also launched a "grass roots" campaign to encourage the participation and cooperation of genealogists nationwide. A brochure and companion flyer entitled "PSSST! Wanna Buy Your Name?" were mailed to genealogical societies and libraries. Societies were asked to reprint the cartoon and brochure text in their newsletters. Librarians were asked to post the flyer on their bulletin boards. As a result, many people wrote to NGS and its Ethics Committee about the solicitation materials they had received from Halbert's, and others wrote directly to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service. On 21 November 1995, the Postal Service issued a supplemental cease and desist order prohibiting Halbert's from further use of certain misleading marketing practices, which included a consent agreement signed by Halbert's. Previous cease and desist orders issued against Halbert's in 1985 and 1988 remain in effect. The supplemental order issued in November 1995 includes the following provisions: - Halbert's was ordered to cease and desist from falsely representing ". . . that (1) a solicitation for a surname- related product was sent by a relative of the solicitee; (2) a relative of a solicitee was involved in preparing a surname-related publication; or that (3) a relative of a solicitee en- dorses a surname-related product." The Postal Service contended that the company's solicitations, which advertised books such as The World Book of [surname] and The [surname] Since the Civil War, violated the 1988 consent agreement, be- cause they appeared to be letters from relatives of the addressees urging them to purchase a recently completed book on their family. - Halbert's was ordered to begin displaying prominently the following disclaimer on any advertising for surname-related publications: "No direct genealogical connection to your family or ancestry is implied or intended." - Halbert's was ordered to cease and desist from "... representing, directly or indirectly, that advertising has been approved by the United States Postal Service." The consent agreement entered into by Halbert's in November 1995 contains several other provisions. Halbert's may submit proposed advertising to the USPS General Counsel not more than three times per calendar year to obtain an opinion on whether the advertising violates cease and desist orders. Halbert's must pay $2,000 for each submission to defray investigative, administrative, and legal costs incurred by the Postal Service. For a period of one year from the date of execution of the consent agreement, Halbert's must, ". . . within ten (10) days after written request therefor, pay full and unconditional double cash refunds, including postage, handling, and deposits, to all consumers who have previously requested in writing to [Halbert's], and not received within thirty (30) days after the receipt of the written request therefor, refunds in connection with any and all surname-related solicitations in use prior to the date of [the consent agreement]." Halbert's must also accept and honor refund requests from the Better Business Bureau, the Postal Inspection Service, the Ohio Attorney General's Office, and any other duly constituted governmental entity which has re- ceived complaints from consumers about its promotions. Under the 1988 cease and desist order, the following conduct by Halbert's is prohibited: - Representing that a book is principally about a particular family name and the history of this family name - Representing that a book contains information about someone's forebears and their emigration from Europe - Representing that a book contains information about the heraldry and family crest of a particular family - Representing that a book explains how a particular family got its surname - Representing that a book explains why someone's forebears immigrated to the New World (the United States, Canada, and Australia) - Representing that a book explains why persons with a particular surname immigrated to the New World - Representing that a book is the result of research through numerous sources by themselves, or someone acting in their behalf, to compile information on persons with the addressee's surname who immigrated to the New World The Postal Service has advised NGS that Halbert's is a member of the Direct Marketing Association and participates in the Mail Preference Service. Anyone who does not wish to receive future mailings from Halbert's can have their name deleted from the company's mailing lists by writing to: Direct Marketing Association, Mail Preference Service, PO. Box 9008, Farmingdale, NY 11735-9008. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 1997 01:47:46 -0000 From: "Kristina Kole" <> Subject: SSDI-farmers and others Here's what I can tell you from personal knowledge on farmers and Social Security. Both of my grandfathers were farmers. Leroy Longenbohn was a farmer and ran his own business. He took out a Social Security number and paid in. He is listed in the index with information. John Harwood, my other grandfather, was a farmer and is not listed in the Social Security Index as he may not have had a social security number. Both were born between 1875 and 1898. My mother died in 1975, before she was 65, had a Social Security Number but didn't work enough to get any benefits so she is also not listed. The Family History Centers have an instruction booklet that advises individuals that believe an individual should be listed in the index and is not should call their local Social Security Office and check on it to see if the death date or other information needs to be turned in. This is requested I believe because of the ability of different illegal activities using these numbers. Kris Kole --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:26:25 -0800 From: "Karl and D'Layne Reynolds" <> Subject: Re: Halbert's Family Registry Carl Eddy wrote: > [clipped] > The following is reproduced with permission from the NGS Newsletter of > March/April 1996: > > Halbert's, Inc., of Bath, Ohio, a mail order firm that markets > surname products, has agreed to the provisions of a cease and > desist order issued by the United States Postal Service (USPS) in > November 1995. "Halbert's" "Family Book Offer," and "Historic > Book Offer" are trade names used by Numa Corporation of Akron, > Ohio.............. > Carl, Wow! Thanks for the great information. I too had received mail from Halbert's...but was skeptical; it just sounded too good to be true. Glad now that I didn't get ripped off. D'Layne M. (Kite) Reynolds Las Vegas, NV . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:32:58 -0500 From: Dennis Gantley <> Subject: Zip files Hi, Can someone give the info for unzipping files for Windows 95. Thanks. Merry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:50:24 PST From: (Vicky Bair) Subject: Re: SSAN Documents On 28 Jan 97 20:14:22 EST Carl Eddy <> writes: >Here is some helpful info I copied down on SS requests. <MSG SNIPPED> send for the SS-5 form. This form was >filled out by >the applicant when he/she requested a SS number. It has the applicant >full name, >address, name of employer and address, age, birth date and place, >Father's full >name, Mother's maiden name, date of application and applicant >signature. This is > >PRIMARY EVIDENCE because this was filled out by the applicant. Send >$7.00, >person's name, SS number and a request for the SS-5 form to: Freedom >of >Information Officer, Social Security Administration, 4-H-8 Annex, 6401 >Security >Blvd., Baltimore, MD 21235. It can take up to 3 months to get a >response. I beg to differ on the cost!!! It's FREE. Here is a letter I sent: Office of Central Records Operations 300 N. Greene St. Baltimore, MD 21201 To whom it may concern, I would like the Form SS-5, Aplication for Social Security Card information on the following deceased person; SSNNameBirthDeath xxx-xx-xxxxDoe, John1/1/19013/4/1985 Thank you, Sincerely Your name & address Sent this in 8/21/96 received 1/28/97 I received a copy of the SS-5 form. with the Form SSA-L7081 (8-94) letter which states: You requested information from a Social Security card application. We are enclosing the form(s) checked below. A computer printout with information from the original application(s) for a Social Security number. A computer printout of the request(s) to change or correct some of the information given on the original application(s) or previous request(s). XXXA photocopy of the original application(s) for a Social Security number. A photocopy of the request(s) to change or correct some of the information given before. There is no charge for this service. If you sent a payment, we are returning it. How You Can Use This Information The form(s) enclosed is an extract or photocopy of the original Social Security number application or request from. Attach this letter of certification to the enclosed form(s) if you sent it to another agency as evidence from our records. <there is more about computer printout copies, etc> Now if you pay $16.50 to the Freedom of Info Office of SS--- I think you would get a copy of the person's whole file, which includes copies of Death Certificate, info on employment/pay, etc. What is the $7. supposed to get you? Now I have done a request for SS-5 forms with a whole bunch of SSN#s & names and someone there sent me back the blank forms for applying for the SS card. Which really upset me. So now I just do 1 name & ssn. Vicky <> ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 97 22:38:20 EST From: Carl Eddy <> Subject: Re: Lawrence Co, Indiana Tax Lists You might try this homepage for Lawrence Co. I can't find any mailing addresses for a local Gen. Soc. in that area; however the County seat is Bedford, IN 47421 Good luck, Carl http://www.dsenter.com/~nmorris/lawrengw.html LAWRENCE +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:36:56 -0500 (EST) From: Dorothy L Dolan <> Subject: Family Tree Maker Home Pages As a Newbie to the web, as well as to this software, I really need some help! I can get to the "create or edit your user web page" area. But what do I do when it asks for a URL? (I do not have any other web page.) Am I supposed to invent one? I left it blank, figuring that the program would supply it, but just lost all of my entries that way. Can someone PLEASE walk me through this? Thank you. Btw, does anyone else find it annoying that Broderbund offers on-line help only on 2 major providers? (Or am I reading that wrong?) Why don't they just give an e-mail address and post questions and answers on their site? Peggy Dorothy L Dolan & Peggy A. Dolan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 02:48:25 GMT From: Subject: Re: Zip files On 1/28/97 9:32PM, in message <"l-0K5.A.xdD.bcr7y"@bl-12>, wrote: > Hi, > Can someone give the info for unzipping files for Windows 95. > Thanks. > Merry > > Hi Merry, go to PCcomputing and download a copy of winzip95, then you can > just click on the file that you want unzipped. It is a great program. Ernie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:47:09 -0800 From: Joan M Jurancich <> Subject: Re: FAR WEST ROOTS At 11:45 PM 1/27/97 -0000, Bonnie Stockton wrote: >This Newbie had previously subscribed to NOR CAL which I eventually noticed >was for pretty much what it said; Northern Calif. I wrote and asked about >the central Calif. area and was told I needed FAR WEST ROOTS. I wrote to >the "Maiser" address and put "SUB FAR WEST ROOTS" in the message. I got >back an error message ( 3 pages) from Maiser, that did not really explain >what I, personally, had done wrong. > >Does anyone know the address for FAR WEST ROOTS? [snip]> >Thanks for any help, >Bonnie Stockton () >Newport, Wa. > Bonnie, You need to add the hyphens to the name (spaces don't work): FAR-WEST-ROOTS Good luck on your search, Joan Jurancich Sacramento, California ================================== ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 97 22:38:09 EST From: Carl Eddy <> Subject: Re: Shawneetown, Illinois There is a 27 volume listing of the civil warr dead titled The Roll of Honor. This list many but not all, and lists where they were originally interred and perhaps later relocated to national cems. The 27 volumes were not indexed until quite recently (last year?); this index is titled Index To The Roll of Honor by Reamy Because of the cost of these books, you will need to go to a larger research library or a regional archive center to search for your persons final resting place. I found a complete set at the State Archives in Indianapolis, IN. I am sure that the Iiiinois State Archives at Springfield would have a set too. Good luck, Carl <<on 1/28 you wrote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to find out if Shawneetown, Illinois was the sight of a Union (Civil War) cemetery and if so, is there a list somewhere of the soldiers interred there. My great-grandfather, Thomas Jefferson Ferrell, died Dec 7, 1861 at Camp Mather, Illinois and was 'removed' to Shawneetown Jan 9, 1862. This is what makes me think there may have been a Union cemetery there (maybe the bodies were shipped elsewhere from there?). Does anyone have any information on this matter? Thank You, Bonnie Stockton ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 97 22:38:03 EST From: Carl Eddy <> Subject: Re: Halbert's Family Registry - More on Halbert's In last week's newsletter I (Dick Eastman) wrote about an advertisement that I just received from the well-known Halbert's of Bath, Ohio. The newsletter article not only spawned a lot of messages on CompuServe's Genealogy Forum, but one member in Hertfordshire, England even wrote a poem about Halbert's. Roy Stockdill kindly gave me permission to reprint his poem in this newsletter: PLEASE NOTE - This poem should ideally be sung to the tune of the popular folk song, On The Banks Of The Ohio.....all right everybody, all together now, let's sing it loud and clear.....!!!!! An envelope came through my door The message claimed good news it bore A strange postmark I did not know Some place called Bath in O-hi-o I opened it with trembling hand Found it contained an offer grand My family tree it swore to show Was known in Bath in O-hi-o A fancy crest and lineage fine These wondrous gifts could all be mine If I would make some money flow To a bank in Bath in O-hi-o The letter said I should not lose A chance that no-one should refuse Worldwide research, it said, would show My pedigree's in O-hi-o The handsome book I would receive My family tree folks would perceive A proud record for all to know From those fine guys in O-hi-o I read the words with eager thrill And wrote a cheque with ready will I posted it, with heart aglow To the place called Bath in O-hi-o Some days passed, then through my door There came a box I quickly tore Inside, oh joy! my passions grow My World Book's here from O-hi-o But how my bliss began to wilt I never read the tiny print There's nothing here I didn't know And I've been scammed in O-hi-o Now heed my tale, I beg of you Lest you should be so naive, too Never send nor allow to go A SINGLE CENT TO O-HI-O!!! Roy also suggests that everybody get together, form a choir, make a tape of this little number and send it to a certain address in Ohio. Again, my thanks to Roy Stockdill, .