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Subject: GEN-NEWBIE-D Digest V97 #39
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GEN-NEWBIE-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 39
Today's Topics:
Re: SS [ (judith murphy) ]
subscribing to GEN FR [ LYNN D MANCUSO <> ]
re NR on Census/not necessarily not [ (carolyn atkinso ]
White Pages Online -- (prev Halberts [ (judith murphy) ]
Re: Lawrence Co, Indiana Tax Lists [ Joan M Jurancich < ]
Re: unzip files [ "Gryphon" <> ]
Family treemaker [ ]
Defragmenting Computer [ ]
Web question [ (Brian J. Beatty ]
Re: Family Tree Maker [ (Terri Stro ]
NIR & chats [ "Leslie Seich" < ]
Re: Defragmenting Computer [ (judith murphy) ]
Re: Web question [ (judith murphy) ]
Help with UUDECODE [ "Linda Hendren" < ]
Mail Problems [ ]
Irish Newspaper Online [ ]
Comments on Family Tree Maker [ "Sullivan, K. Mrs. EECS" <dk5793@ex ]
Re: SSAN Documents [ Carl Eddy < ]
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:41:08 -0500 (EST)
From: (judith murphy)
Subject: Re: SS
Just because someone pays into social security does NOT mean they are
eligible for payments -- it is really nothing more than a glorified
INSURANCE program where you are paying "premiums" and was set up to be a
SUPPLEMENT to income, not a guaranteed income at retirement, nor is there a
guarantee that you will ever get the same amount of money (much less the
interest) that you put in.
This is why when WWII ended the government felt it was OKAY to borrow from
it and give to the other countries to rebuild their countries (Germany,
France, and Japan, if memory serves correctly got the majority of the
money). And, because of the problems and losses the government never
collected back this "loaned" money and more or less wrote it off at the
expense of the persons on Social Security (so, if you ever wondered WHY
Social Security is broke you now know -- what I said here is the SIMPLIFIED
VERSION -- they like to say it is because of the number of baby boomers, but
considering that so many NEVER collected a penny of the money they put in,
and the amount of interest they were supposed to be collecting on the
invested portion of the money, the baby boomer story is just that -- a story
and another political ploy).(Just my humble opinions).
Anyway, to get back on the track, this money to set up to not only pay for
your retirement checks under SS, but also during your lifetime to pay for
disability checks from SS for you, and your family. So they feel that even
if you don't get anything when you retire, when you are paying in that you
are still covered and "could" get benefits in case of this disability or
death (if you have children under 18, etc).
Yes, they would be on the ss records -- just NOT on the CD that has been
released that has the SS Deaths. You can still get copies of the social
security records by going through the proper procedures with the Social
Security Office.
Even if the spouse did not report the death, he or she is NOT eligible to
receive the payment except on their own behalf (the 1/2 PIA payment the
spouse who is alive can apply for when they reach 62 or 65, but only if they
were married at time of death of the one spouse, or if they had been married
over 10 years). (BTW --I say 10 years, because I think it used to be 7
years and they upp'd it to 10 back in the 60's, but I may be wrong -- only
they can tell you the number of years, you had to be married, for sure).
If the dead spouse applied for payments PRIOR to death, then YES the spouse
or whoever the dead spouse chose as beneficiary (either on social security
forms, or in their will) would get the money that the dead person would
otherwise have gotten to the date of death.
And, if a spouse was collecting the payments and died, the other spouse MUST
notify Social Security or else they will be up on charges for "stealing"
money that wasn't theirs and they will have to pay back Social Security all
the money that was paid from death to current time PLUS interest, PLUS doing
time in jail.
Note: I answered both ways about the "not reporting the death" question
because I did not fully understand whether they didn't report it before
she/he had even started collecting money or if they died after already
receiving retirement checks.
Also, there have been a few cases where the spouse or beneficiary (in my
mother's case, my sister and I are the survivors, jointly) CAN collect money
after the person who was on social security died. But this is rare. I will
use my mother's case which is still being searched. She applied when she
turned 62 -- told she wasn't eligible because daddy and she both received
civil service retirement. She again applied when 65 when she found out that
wasn't true, but again she kept being told the same thing. We continued
calling (and have copies of her long distance bills -- pre 1-800 number --
to the social security offices trying to get her this social security we
knew she was eligible to have. No luck. We even made calls and reapplied
the last week of her life. Now, I finally was able to get someone to
understand what she had been saying all along -- that she and daddy both DID
have the number of quarters because they were in this special group (he born
1914, she in 1917) and that they both worked and got these quarters (his
during military service). So, they finally NOW agree that she SHOULD have
gotten her social security checks (even though she died at 75 and still had
not gotten even a penny from them). They now have to recalculate to see how
much she would have gotten and then take the offset $1 for every $2 of civil
service retirement check amount, and see if she would have gotten a check at
all -- if she should have gotten a check, then they will prorate it back to
the date she first applied for it and give the total amount (all those
months checks she didn't get) to my sister and me. BUT, the person who was
eligible for this check HAS TO HAVE PERSONALLY APPLIED DURING THEIR LIFETIME
and not gotten a check for them to pay a surviving spouse of beneficiary!!!
Now that I probably have mixed you up fully, I will simply say -- if they
didn't report the death and dead spouse did not get social security checks,
or had not applied for social security checks, then NO the surviving spouse
would not get the money except through their own application when they are
eligible for their own social security. And if the dead spouse did not have
the number of quarters required, and the surviving spouse did not work or
have the number of quarters through their own work, then the surviving
spouse won't even get a social security check at all.
Judy M.
>If someone who paid into ss dies (1960's) why wouldn't they be on the ss
>records? Assuming the spouse did not report the death to the ss is she still
>eligible to receive the payment?
>
>L.W.L.
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:31:44 -0600 (CST)
From: LYNN D MANCUSO <>
Subject: subscribing to GEN FR
Hi: I'm sort of new to this group but have found it quite helpful so I
thought I would give my problem a try.
I HAVE HAD HELP from a lot of other people but nothing seems to work
I had subscribed to Gen Fr....but then I wanted to change to the DIGEST
form. After trying for several days I realized that my system had changed
my email address. So I sent a message to UNSUBSCRIBE that got through
just fine....
So I have been trying to SUB DIGEST ever since and all messages get
rejected.....
I have put in the subject line: SUBSCRIBE DIGEST....and nothing in the
text.
I have left the subject line BLANK and put in the message text:
SUBscribe DIGEST Lynn D. Mancuso
I have put the message only in the message text:
SUB DIG Lynn D. Mancuso
I really enjoy the list and have written the owner with no response yet!
If anyone CAN help I would appreciate it -- I have tried everything I
know....
THANKS, Lynn
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:52:54 -0600
From: (carolyn atkinson)
Subject: re NR on Census/not necessarily not related
I would not do that. You might end up missing a valuable part of a future
clue or something. My gggrandfather has a farmhand in the 1870 census.
This farmhand in the future married the niece of my gggrandfather on his
wife's side. So be VERY careful before you throw the baby out with the
dishwater. My own grandfather was a farmhand and he met the daughter of
the farmer, who became my grandmother. This grandmother is the
granddaughter of the gggrandfather above.
Another example--This same gggrandfather is listed in the 1860 census, the
woman he married and is also listed in the 1860 census with him as his
wife. However, she is also listed in the same census as a maid in another
household(she got married in june and lived 6 months in each household,
this is why she is listed twice). A year later, I found out that the
household she was living in and and was listed as mothers helper, was her
aunt's house. I found this after I found the will to another Hays family
that I suspicioned as being her grandfather. This grandfather had a 'late
life' baby, and this was her aunt she was living with. This aunt was
listed in her father's will along with her married name and her husbands
name. Till then, I did not relate Schwartz to Hays as a relationship,
because I did not know of the aunts existence.
So be very careful, and never assume they are not related. Good chance
they are, and are boarded out to learn a trade, or to share the teens/young
adults help within the families. Some families might need the extra help,
during plowing, sowing, and harvesting time, or there are too many in a
household and they spread them out. In the case of the Hays above, I
believe she left because her father remarried this year. All the girls
left.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:27:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Shirley Moser <>
Subject: Re: NR on 1900 census
Thanks for all the answers I've received. I have a choice between
Non-resident, Not-related and Not recorded. Since I can't find this
person listed with my family before or after the 1900 census....I'm going
to assume Gram-ma was baby-sitting on census day. :)
Shirley
Sincerely Carolyn Leverich Atkinson
Carolyn 1602 York
Des Moines, IA 50316
**If you bounce me, please resend!! My provider has occasional problems.
I AM HERE!!!**
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:01:36 -0500 (EST)
From: (judith murphy)
Subject: White Pages Online -- (prev Halberts...
Also -- many countries are starting to put their yellow and white pages, and
fax numbers online. I found this by accident recently, looked up some fax
numbers for my son-in-law of his relatives in England and Kuwait (no white
pages yet for there) and he was thrilled.
So remember -- the internet and all this ethernet research is NEW and there
is still more to come as each day goes by.
Judy M.
>
>
>On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 wrote:
>
>> All the information concerning Halbert's Family Registry was very
>> interesting. I was looking for someone to point out that this company is
>> also based in Bath, Ohio. I also fell for their pitch and I imagine this is
>> the same outfit as described as being based in Canada. Does anyone know for
>> sure?
>>
>>
>> Ray Hildebrand
>>
>Yes, possible, I read that Halbert's had been prevented from doing
>business in the US location by court order. The probable just moved.
>A possible use of their lists. A cousin ordered the book on his name,
>xeroxed the pages for an area he wanted to search, and sent the book
>back. They sent him his refund. He then wrote or phoned the people in
>the book to find anyone who could assist him in his research in that
>area. We have the "white pages" on the internet to look up phone lists
>of a name in a state or city, and the SSI index where we can look up a
>surname for possible research, We probably don't need to use this method
>to find names of people in an area now.
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:10:34 -0800
From: Joan M Jurancich <>
Subject: Re: Lawrence Co, Indiana Tax Lists
At 10:38 PM 1/28/97 EST, Carl Eddy wrote:
>You might try this homepage for Lawrence Co. I can't find any mailing
addresses
>
>for a local Gen. Soc. in that area; however the County seat is Bedford, IN
47421
>Good luck, Carl
>
>http://www.dsenter.com/~nmorris/lawrengw.html LAWRENCE
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
>
Another possibility for Indiana researchers is the mailing list INROOTS. To
subscribe, send to:
a message that says SUBSCRIBE INROOTS
(be sure to turn off your signature file to avoid confusing the computer).
Good luck,
Joan Jurancich
Sacramento, California
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:13:02 -0500
From: "Gryphon" <>
Subject: Re: unzip files
Get a copy Beta of "winzip" off of the net at winzip.com. down load it and
then unzip the file, after unzipping word pad will open it. If you have
problems using it as a gedcom let me know and I might beable to help with
that also.
Rick Griffin
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:58:00 -0500 (EST)
From:
Subject: Family treemaker
Hi newbies: I am having some trouble with my family treemaker on line. It
seems I am getting locked up trying to back out of one of these programs. As
soon as I get this problem fixed I'll get to the requests.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 01:15:47 -0500 (EST)
From:
Subject: Defragmenting Computer
Hello to all,
I have had my computer now for 3 months and would like to have some input on
defragmenting. I was told to defragment everyday. My computer is usually
2% fragmented and the message asks if I want to defragment anyway. How
about thorough scan of disk?
If this has been discussed a million times, and I've missed the post, would
whomever cares to reply, do so privately?
I seem to learn something new from this list everyday, THANKS! I am now
getting a little more comfortable with my computer.
Paula
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:19:47 -0800
From: (Brian J. Beatty)
Subject: Web question
Hi! I have been on several web sites that ask ,"do you want a cookie to be
set? it will expire on <date>"
I have been responding "no" because I don't know what a cookie is and why
does it have to be set.
TIA for clearing this up for me
Nellie
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:07:59 -0800
From: (Terri Strotman)
Subject: Re: Family Tree Maker
On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Peggy Dolan wrote:
>
>Btw, does anyone else find it annoying that Broderbund offers on-line
>help only on 2 major providers? (Or am I reading that wrong?) Why don't they
>just give an e-mail address and post questions and answers on their site?
Uh, yes, it can even be annoying to people who don't use FTM. <G> They
do have a mailing list for FTM, but they don't seem to publicize it much.
That may be why users ask questions elsewhere. I don't know if they
maintain an archive of past messages.
>To subscribe to the FTMTECH-L mailing list, send a message to the
>following e-mail address:
>.
>Leave the subject line of your e-mail message blank, but in the body of the
>message type the word "subscribe."
The dynamics of the whole FTM package are fascinating to me. Paul
Burchfield also can (and does) use the facilities of various genealogy
lists to answer questions. It's one of several great marketing techniques
Broderbund uses, although not always popular with the non-FTM readers of
these lists. <g> Even though most of the posts about FTM seem to be about
problems or difficulties with the program, that old adage about "no
publicity is bad publicity, as long as the name is spelled right" seems to
hold true. People keep buying the program because they've "seen it
mentioned *everywhere*". The public doesn't seem to care that most of the
"mentioning" is because of problems the users are having. I've seen a lot
of posts where people say they bought the program because it "a lot of
people seem to use it". Plus, it's available for sale everywhere - even in
supermarkets, for all I know. More good marketing. By the time a buyer
finds out about the level of support from the company, the buyer has
invested too much time & effort to want to change programs. You all have
to get answers wherever you can. I'm just sorry so many seem to have
difficulty getting help from the company. It must be very frustrating.
One doesn't see a lot of posts about other genealogy programs; possibly
because they either don't have as many problems, or they provide their own
useful forums for discussion, or the companies/authors are easily
accessible.
Disclaimer: I have no connection with Broderbund, have not used FTM, and
probably never will. Seems like too much trouble to me. <G> I do
appreciate and have used their educational programs. These are my own
observations and opinions. And, all I know about the program itself is
from the posts people write. I do have to admire Broderbund's marketing
techniques from a purely academic viewpoint. They obviously have some
brilliant people on staff who really know how to work a target market and
how to get high visibility for their product; which, in turn, generates
income and more product (free material for their CDs), which can only be
used by those who own their products. Brilliant! Gotta admit, that's the
"American Way". <G>
Terri
Terri (Bible) Strotman
(Alhambra, So. Calif.)
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 20:27:26 UT
From: "Leslie Seich" <>
Subject: NIR & chats
Dear Fellow Rooters:
I've two questions today. Hopefully someone out there in newbieland can help
(hopeful sigh).
(1) Is there a URL for a chat called SOC.GENEALOGY.UK+IRELAND. On the old
MSN, I used to be able to post questions and family info there, but the New
MSN (not always improved), no longer supports this chat. I received some
helpful things there in the way of Irish geography and such and miss my
connection. MSN support basically says I'm beat, but in a very nice way.
Please help someone!
(2) Is there a URL for newpapers, national or foreign? I have a snipet from
an Irish newpaper (of course I don't really know its Irish, I'm assuming based
on family background) and the header was clipped. I would like to try and
locate this article because that would tell me where this person died.
Thank you in advance. Everyone has been very helpful and supportive. To a
newbie, that encouragement means alot. Its keeps me in the game!
Thankfully,
Leslie
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 03:03:12 -0500 (EST)
From: (judith murphy)
Subject: Re: Defragmenting Computer
I cannot remember if this has been discussed or not, so will explain to all
what you are talking about and why you would do it at all.
Defragmenting (sometimes erroneously called "optimizing") a computer is
nothing more than taking the bits and pieces of your files and joining them
all together once again. This is used so that your read/write heads do less
work, thereby saving wear and tear and $$$ to replace or later-on having
problems with your harddrive. It also saves time, but is so minute unless
you have huge amounts of files on your drive or they are really badly
fragmented. Usually defragmenting your pc at home is only needed once a
month (weekly if you do alot of file changes and editing).
If you understand what is going on, the above explaination will make more
sense to ya'll.
Each disk consists of divisions so the computer can work with it.
Partitions, logical, sectors, sides, cylinders, clusters, rootdirectory,
FAT, root, and data area is the terminology -- and each of this stuff does
something a bit different, but tells the computer how to find an address.
Sort of like a town's map -- if you need to find a street you look up the
street name in the index, then use the horizontal and vertical grids, or
side/main streets to find the street, and once you find the street you look
up the house address. Same thing, except the computer uses alpha/numeric
characters in hexidecimal format to tell the computer where things are
located (would look like 3E267C29). The FAt and root directory areas tells
machine what the directory name and location of it can be located, the data
area has the index of the file itself located where the directory address
is, and has an index for each and every file in that directory.
Now that the technical is out of the way, let me try to explain where you
can understand what is happening and WHY you would want to defragment.
Let's say I have 3 files, FILE1.EXT FILE2.EXT FILE3.EXT. I have saved these
to my harddrive. At the time a harddrive is new it is put onto the disk
(harddrive) starting at a specific address and ending at a specific address,
all in a continuous (contiguous) line. So FILE1.EXT might be in an address
of 1001 to 3001, FILE2.EXT in address of 3002 to 5030, and FILE3.EXT in
address of 5031 to 6000. (these addresses are examples -- remember they
wouldn't be that simple but 8 char/number combinations of hexidecimal).
Now this is fine since they are all unfragmented and all contiguous (all
together, one after another).
BUT, this doesn't last for long. You go to make a change to FILE2.EXT where
you have added something to it. It starts writing at address 3002 to 5030
and then finds it needs more room for the rest of the file -- so it finds
the first empty spot of 6001 and starts laying down the rest of the file
onto the media. Now FILE2.EXT is fragmented (in 2 parts) with the address
of the continuation portion being added at the last of the first part so the
machine can fine it.
Sort of like:
File1.ext,File2.ext(continued at address 6001), file3.ext, 6001 the
continued part of file2.ext, etc.
Now, as you continue to use your machine, changing files, adding files,
deleting files, etc. you end up with huge numbers of fragmented parts of
files all mixed upwith one another. So, the read/write head has to keep
going up and down, and the platter spinning to the new locations everytime
it needs to access the rest of the file.
In addition to this, everytime you delete a file -- it is STILL there on the
media. It usually puts a character as the first character of the name,
showing that this address area is now up for "grabs" for another file to
use. Depending on how your machine is setup it may or maynot be written
over immediately. (Some machines are setup to always start at the beginning
of the addresses and find the first open space to use; others continue using
empty spaces that have never been used until there are no more then it
searches for files that can be written over.)
So, when you do the defragmenting not only is it putting the files together
as one piece, but it also, if the space is needed, be writing over those
areas set for deletion, and starts putting the files one behind the other
from the beginning. Of course, when you have HUGE numbers of files and huge
disks you may see where the machine, when doing this defragmenting, will
MOVE smaller files, and sections of files around until it can get a large
enough space for the full file to be put into. Some machines show this as
it is occurring, others do not. But, if yours does, watch it the first time
-- it is fascinating to see it reading and writing all over the disk to make
room for these files, then dumping the file to that area and going onto
another file that is fragmented, etc.
The average user will get 100% defragmation, but persons with full disks
will not always get this percentage -- 89% or more is usual in those cases.
Hope this helps more than one person,
Judy M.
>Hello to all,
>
>I have had my computer now for 3 months and would like to have some input on
>defragmenting. I was told to defragment everyday. My computer is usually
>2% fragmented and the message asks if I want to defragment anyway. How
>about thorough scan of disk?
>
>If this has been discussed a million times, and I've missed the post, would
>whomever cares to reply, do so privately?
>
>I seem to learn something new from this list everyday, THANKS! I am now
>getting a little more comfortable with my computer.
>
>Paula
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 03:21:07 -0500 (EST)
From: (judith murphy)
Subject: Re: Web question
Setting of "cookies" is one of my pet peaves!!! I absolutely hate this
invasion into my privacy!!!
What is occurring is that they are keeping track of where you go, types of
areas you go, and then taking this info so they can use it in their
advertising to you or for "selling" your email address to others (they say
they aren't -- but I would make a bet they are -- I tracked which ones I
left cookies at, using one specific email address, (and out of my own
curiousity's sake) and sure enough I got advertisements to that one email
address for the same type of product of the internet webpage I had visited
-- none of my other email addresses where I had not allowed the cookie to be
left and even though I have used the internet on them, have I gotten these
advertisements for. And they continue on the one email address!!!.
What happens is this:
When you go to an address (say, cooking -- but then it could be a porn one
if you are into that sort of thing) and a cookie is placed into your
cookie.txt file (at least this is what netscape calls theirs -- and is found
in the main netscape directory area -- check your browser and do a dir
cook*.* and see what shows up). In this cookie it tells when you visited
the site, what type of site it was, and the address.
Now the next person who wants the cookie just goes and "grabs" it without
your knowledge -- and looks to see where you have been visiting in the past
months.
Now they KNOW what types of things you like, etc.
To me that would be an invasion of my privacy -- whether I am visiting
genealogy sites, cooking sites, hobby sites, or whatever -- it is NONE OF
THEIR BUSINESS!!!
Now, if your browser does not show you when you are having cookies dropped,
you need to to turn the switch on to tell you -- in Netscape it is under
OPTIONS, then Network Preferences, then Protocols.
Just my opinion,
Judy M.
>Hi! I have been on several web sites that ask ,"do you want a cookie to be
>set? it will expire on <date>"
>
>I have been responding "no" because I don't know what a cookie is and why
>does it have to be set.
>
>TIA for clearing this up for me
>Nellie
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:05:16 -0500
From: "Linda Hendren" <>
Subject: Help with UUDECODE
I received a file (22 emails) that I can't read. Says to use UUDECODE.
Where can I find the right one. I am using WIN95 and Microsoft Internet
Explorer.
Thanks.
Linda
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:40:45 4
From:
Subject: Mail Problems
Harry and others,
Just wanted to let you know that I was NOT offended by being one of
the recipients of Harry's mail problems. :) I just felt like a
snoop. =)
His letters were enjoyable (it would have helped if I had known the
people he was writing to) and he was rooting for the Packers. My
husband is a Packers fan and how could I be angry at someone for
experiencing a glitch (while rooting for the Packers especially)?
Just wanted to see Harry stop having his mail publicized on the
GEN-NEWBIE list for personal reasons. I wouldn't want my mail being
read by hundreds of others either!
Laurel
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:35:51 4
From:
Subject: Irish Newspaper Online
For Leslie:
I have the Irish News bookmarked on my computer (from a college
research project in Foreign Policy). It is great fun to read and
very informative, but please note-- I haven't used it in a while so
I'm providing the address but can't be held responsible if it has
moved! By the way, they provided obituaries last time I looked!
Irish News Online
http://www.irishnews.com/current/today.html
Laurel
P.S. I'll be writing the list of suggestions
and ideas for my research project today if I have time. Super Bowl
pushed back my reading of mail and I'm swamped with over 85 messages
to wade through!
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:18:37 -0500
From: "Sullivan, K. Mrs. EECS" <>
Subject: Comments on Family Tree Maker
I found Terri's response to Peggy Dolan's message to be interesting, but
I have to say that I have been using FTM for several years and have
always been able to do what I wanted to do by using a little common
sense and the user's manual. And on the one occasion when I ran into
trouble (since I use Windows NT, not Win95 or Windows), I called their
tech support number which is listed in the documentation and IMMEDIATELY
was connected to someone who talked me through the whole procedure from
beginning to end. I suspect that many of the people who post messages
asking for help are those who have an illegal copy which they installed
on their computers using someone else's software; therefore they do not
have any documentation. I say this because several friends and family
members have asked me for my software to install and have been miffed
because I wouldn't give it to them.
Since the whole issue of which software to use seems to be an emotional
one, I think it's best to recommend only that software which you have
personal experience with. We all have different needs, levels of
expertise, and peferences. And somewhere out there, there's a software
package for each of us.
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Mrs. Karen Sullivan| Never let your head hang down.
NT System Administrator| Never give up and sit down and
Dept of Elec Engr & Comp Sci| grieve. Find another way. And
U.S. Military Academy | don't pray when it rains if you
| don't pray when the sun shines.
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Date: 29 Jan 97 08:25:33 EST
From: Carl Eddy <>
Subject: Re: SSAN Documents
Thanks Vicky, I'll try it your way and then amend my listing of helpful hints.
Carl
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