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GEN-NEWBIE-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 40

Today's Topics:
Whats a cookie? [ LYNN D MANCUSO <> ]
Re: Defragmenting Computer [ "Linda Hendren" < ]
Re: Whats a cookie? [ "Ginger Hayes" < ]
re: COOKIES [ "Ginger Hayes" < ]
Re: Family Tree Maker [ ]
Re: Family Tree Maker [ jleslie <> ]
Re: Web question [ Tom <> ]
Re: Comments on Family Tree Maker [ "Robert B. Seymour" < ]
SSI [ (Gladys Cox) ]
HULL genealogy [ (Gladys Cox) ]
Re: Family Tree Maker [ Tom <> ]
Internet Software [ (David E Moran) ]
Re: SSAN Documents [ (Vicky Bair) ]
FTM Questions [ ]
Defragmenting [ Cecilia Lyon <> ]
Defragmenting [ Cecilia Lyon <> ]
Family Tree Maker gripes [ (Barbara Eli ]
Re: Comments on Family Tree Maker [ (Vicky Bair) ]
Re: Comments on Family Tree Maker [ Dorothy L Dolan < ]
need info [ "Jacques J. Comeau" <"jacques.j.com ]
FTM User Web Pages [ Dorothy L Dolan < ]
Mower County, MN [ "Laura K. Irvin" < ]
Native American Info [ "Laura K. Irvin" < ]

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:32:38 -0600 (CST)
From: LYNN D MANCUSO <>
Subject: Whats a cookie?

Hi: I've heard others talk about cookie's but now this is one place where
I won't feel stupid asking.

Is there URL to help you learn the internet? You have to have a PHD to
understand most of the books I've seen at the library...

THANKS in advance, Lynn D. Mancuso

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:56:26 -0500
From: "Linda Hendren" <>
Subject: Re: Defragmenting Computer

Please respond to list.

Thanks.

Linda

>
> Hello to all,
>
> I have had my computer now for 3 months and would like to have some input
on
> defragmenting. I was told to defragment everyday. My computer is
usually
> 2% fragmented and the message asks if I want to defragment anyway. How
> about thorough scan of disk?
>
> If this has been discussed a million times, and I've missed the post,
would
> whomever cares to reply, do so privately?
>
> I seem to learn something new from this list everyday, THANKS! I am now
> getting a little more comfortable with my computer.
>
> Paula

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:58:29 -0500
From: "Ginger Hayes" <>
Subject: Re: Whats a cookie?

I don't know about 1 URL in particular. I've done ok just going to a good
search engine and putting in a particular topic. If it's more than one word
just use "and" between your words, that eliminates a lot of answers that
don't really apply.

Ginger Hayes

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> From: LYNN D MANCUSO <>
> To:
> Subject: Whats a cookie?
> Date: Wednesday, January 29, 1997 8:32 AM
>
>
> Hi: I've heard others talk about cookie's but now this is one place
where
> I won't feel stupid asking.
>
> Is there URL to help you learn the internet? You have to have a PHD to
> understand most of the books I've seen at the library...
>
> THANKS in advance, Lynn D. Mancuso

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 06:58:31 -0500
From: "Ginger Hayes" <>
Subject: re: COOKIES

There is a good article about cookies at TOURBUS. I believe the URL is
www.worldvillage.com. Look at the icons at the bottom of the page and
click on the link to TOURBUS. You will have to go to the archives, I
believe
it was on in Nov 96. I always push no for cookies, for 2 reasons:
first: I don't like anybody tracking me through my browser, no matter how
benign
second: cookies add on in a file or folder, and I don't need the junk
cluttering
up my PC

Ginger Hayes


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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:11:04 -0500 (EST)
From:
Subject: Re: Family Tree Maker

Speaking of genealogy software, I have BROTHER'S KEEPER and I LOVE it. You
can download a demo version from <A HREF="http://www.web.wingsbbs.com/brothers
keeper/">http://www.web.wingbbs.com/brotherskeeper/</A>;. I have the demo
version, and it appears to do everything. I'm new to genealogy and any of the
associated programs but, after a minor amount of stumbling around, I figured
out how most everything works. I read online someone's opinion that it (BK)
was not user friendly, but I would have said the exact reverse. I just
discovered that there is a support List you can subscribe to at
. I did subscribe, but so far I just read other people's
mail, looking for tips. Since I didn't pay for the program, I feel
uncomfortable about asking for assistance. Also, since I'm not a registered
user, I don't have a manuel. I've been able to figure out everything except
the GEDCOM abilities. It can import and export, but I don't see it happening
so I'm confused. The program is $49 and it is definitely worth it. The
owner/programer?, John Snead, monitors the support list and answers letters
daily. Cool!!!

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:19:54 -0500
From: jleslie <>
Subject: Re: Family Tree Maker

Terri Strotman wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Peggy Dolan wrote:
> >
> >Btw, does anyone else find it annoying that Broderbund offers on-line
> >help only on 2 major providers? (Or am I reading that wrong?) Why don't they
> >just give an e-mail address and post questions and answers on their site?
>
> Uh, yes, it can even be annoying to people who don't use FTM. <G> They
> do have a mailing list for FTM, but they don't seem to publicize it much.
> That may be why users ask questions elsewhere. I don't know if they
> maintain an archive of past messages.
>
> >To subscribe to the FTMTECH-L mailing list, send a message to the
> >following e-mail address:
> >.
> >Leave the subject line of your e-mail message blank, but in the body of the
> >message type the word "subscribe."
>
> The dynamics of the whole FTM package are fascinating to me. Paul
> Burchfield also can (and does) use the facilities of various genealogy
> lists to answer questions. It's one of several great marketing techniques
> Broderbund uses, although not always popular with the non-FTM readers of
> these lists. <g> Even though most of the posts about FTM seem to be about
> problems or difficulties with the program, that old adage about "no
> publicity is bad publicity, as long as the name is spelled right" seems to
> hold true. People keep buying the program because they've "seen it
> mentioned *everywhere*". The public doesn't seem to care that most of the
> "mentioning" is because of problems the users are having. I've seen a lot
> of posts where people say they bought the program because it "a lot of
> people seem to use it". Plus, it's available for sale everywhere - even in
> supermarkets, for all I know. More good marketing. By the time a buyer
> finds out about the level of support from the company, the buyer has
> invested too much time & effort to want to change programs. You all have
> to get answers wherever you can. I'm just sorry so many seem to have
> difficulty getting help from the company. It must be very frustrating.
>
> One doesn't see a lot of posts about other genealogy programs; possibly
> because they either don't have as many problems, or they provide their own
> useful forums for discussion, or the companies/authors are easily
> accessible.
>
> Disclaimer: I have no connection with Broderbund, have not used FTM, and
> probably never will. Seems like too much trouble to me. <G> I do
> appreciate and have used their educational programs. These are my own
> observations and opinions. And, all I know about the program itself is
> from the posts people write. I do have to admire Broderbund's marketing
> techniques from a purely academic viewpoint. They obviously have some
> brilliant people on staff who really know how to work a target market and
> how to get high visibility for their product; which, in turn, generates
> income and more product (free material for their CDs), which can only be
> used by those who own their products. Brilliant! Gotta admit, that's the
> "American Way". <G>
>
> Terri
>
> Terri (Bible) Strotman
>
>
> (Alhambra, So. Calif.)

Terri, I was glad you noted you have never used Family Tree Maker. May I
suggest you test drive it some time. Some folks like it & some don't but
I am uncomfortable with a judgment based on hearsay that may disuade
someone who would have liked it. I offer the following for your
consideration.People do comment, positively & negatively on products
they use. Yes, FTM is less than perfect, but it also has a lot going for
it. FTM was in fact a separate subsidary & recently (within the past six
months if memory serves) Broderbund took it over & has started a major
rewrite of the code to correct the deficits that do exist. They have
also taken over the technical support for the product. I found cause to
use their support (the reason I know the above information by the way) &
found them helpful & honest when the problem could not be resolved
easily. The problem I was trying to work around was melding two files &
getting the software to recognize individuals as the same person... The
FTM program only recognizes the person as the same IF the name &
birthdate are EXACTLY the same so uncle Harold R Low born 23 May 1889
would not be recognized as Harold Reeves Low or birthdate abt 1889.
Obviously this glitch needs restructuring... which Broderbund is
attempting to do. I suspect you will find the same quality in FTM now
that Broderbund owns & controls FTM that you have found in other
Broderbund products. I don't work for Broderbund either, but when I
learned of their renovations I felt this was worth sharing with those
about to give up on FTM... face it genealogy is a task of problem
solving & challenges.. if it were easy why would we be doing it!! Enjoy
the challenge & remember you can write it all out by hand & look it up
in your filing cabinet system if you prefer. Personally I like being
able to send thousands of individuals worth of information over the wire
for review & melding when appropriate. But this is just one person's
opinion...

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:46:32 -0500
From: Tom <>
Subject: Re: Web question

Read all about "cookies" at this Netscape website.

http://www.netscape.com/newsref/std/cookie_spec.html

Tom

Brian J. Beatty wrote:
>
> Hi! I have been on several web sites that ask ,"do you want a cookie to be
> set? it will expire on <date>"
>
> I have been responding "no" because I don't know what a cookie is and why
> does it have to be set.
>
> TIA for clearing this up for me
> Nellie
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:53:28 -0500
From: "Robert B. Seymour" <>
Subject: Re: Comments on Family Tree Maker

Sullivan, K. Mrs. EECS wrote:
>
> I I suspect that many of the people who post messages
> asking for help are those who have an illegal copy which they installed
> on their computers using someone else's software; therefore they do not
> have any documentation. I say this because several friends and family
> members have asked me for my software to install and have been miffed
> because I wouldn't give it to them.
> *****
> ****
> Mrs. Karen Sullivan | Never let your head hang down.
> NT System Administrator | Never give up and sit down and
> Dept of Elec Engr & Comp Sci | grieve. Find another way. And
> U.S. Military Academy | don't pray when it rains if you
> | don't pray when the sun shines.
>
> | -- Satchel Paige
> ************************************************************************> ****I am sure that many of US who frequently ask of help DO have legal
copies of software for which we paid good money. Please do not group us
to be among your "friends and family" who are prone to illegally copy
and use software programs.

Robert B. Seymour
An HONEST NEWBIE

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 07:15:20 PST
From: (Gladys Cox)
Subject: SSI

Hi -- Some futher information to confuse the issue. I had a teach recently
that said her son was killed in a car accident at age 16 and was listed on
the Social Security Death Index. He was listed not because he received
Social Security but because his parents had applied for the SS
Death Benefit. I believe that can trigger being put in the SSDI. Gladys
in Arizona

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 07:17:23 PST
From: (Gladys Cox)
Subject: HULL genealogy

[This message was delayed in the error bucket because it had
been accidentally addressed to gen-newbie-l-request. Posts
for everyone to see (not just me <grin>) should be sent to
. Thanks! --Karen]

Judy Hudson,
Will you e-mail me back directly. I have a HULL ancestor in Indiana and
would like to correspond
with you directly about the HULLs. Thanks. Gladys Cox in Arizona
e-mail

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:18:31 -0500
From: Tom <>
Subject: Re: Family Tree Maker

Terri and all;

Here is Broderbunds FTM support online. Read it and then decide if this
is the support you want and need BEFORE you buy your genealogy software.

http://www.familytreemaker.com/supptop.html

Tom

Terri Strotman wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Peggy Dolan wrote:
> >
> >Btw, does anyone else find it annoying that Broderbund offers on-line
> >help only on 2 major providers? (Or am I reading that wrong?) Why don't they
> >just give an e-mail address and post questions and answers on their site?
>
> Uh, yes, it can even be annoying to people who don't use FTM. <G> They
> do have a mailing list for FTM, but they don't seem to publicize it much.
> That may be why users ask questions elsewhere. I don't know if they
> maintain an archive of past messages.
>
> >To subscribe to the FTMTECH-L mailing list, send a message to the
> >following e-mail address:
> >.
> >Leave the subject line of your e-mail message blank, but in the body of the
> >message type the word "subscribe."
>
> The dynamics of the whole FTM package are fascinating to me. Paul
> Burchfield also can (and does) use the facilities of various genealogy
> lists to answer questions. It's one of several great marketing techniques
> Broderbund uses, although not always popular with the non-FTM readers of
> these lists. <g> Even though most of the posts about FTM seem to be about
> problems or difficulties with the program, that old adage about "no
> publicity is bad publicity, as long as the name is spelled right" seems to
> hold true. People keep buying the program because they've "seen it
> mentioned *everywhere*". The public doesn't seem to care that most of the
> "mentioning" is because of problems the users are having. I've seen a lot
> of posts where people say they bought the program because it "a lot of
> people seem to use it". Plus, it's available for sale everywhere - even in
> supermarkets, for all I know. More good marketing. By the time a buyer
> finds out about the level of support from the company, the buyer has
> invested too much time & effort to want to change programs. You all have
> to get answers wherever you can. I'm just sorry so many seem to have
> difficulty getting help from the company. It must be very frustrating.
>
> One doesn't see a lot of posts about other genealogy programs; possibly
> because they either don't have as many problems, or they provide their own
> useful forums for discussion, or the companies/authors are easily
> accessible.
>
> Disclaimer: I have no connection with Broderbund, have not used FTM, and
> probably never will. Seems like too much trouble to me. <G> I do
> appreciate and have used their educational programs. These are my own
> observations and opinions. And, all I know about the program itself is
> from the posts people write. I do have to admire Broderbund's marketing
> techniques from a purely academic viewpoint. They obviously have some
> brilliant people on staff who really know how to work a target market and
> how to get high visibility for their product; which, in turn, generates
> income and more product (free material for their CDs), which can only be
> used by those who own their products. Brilliant! Gotta admit, that's the
> "American Way". <G>
>
> Terri
>
> Terri (Bible) Strotman
>
>
> (Alhambra, So. Calif.)

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 07:36:50 PST
From: (David E Moran)
Subject: Internet Software

Thanks to all who answered my inquiry about the best browser\internet
software. I am going to try MS EXPLORER. There were so many responses I
have to send it through to gennewbie so you'll all get this message.
Thanks for taking the time to answer.

David E Moran
19 East Elm St
Everett MA 02149

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:40:49 PST
From: (Vicky Bair)
Subject: Re: SSAN Documents

Carl & list members,

But can anyone explain the $7 fee and what it did provide?

Also remember I specifically put the word "Deceased" in my request letter
for SS-Form 5 application.

There is a form also at the local SS offices but most of the workers
there do not know about it. And usually they have to make a copy of
this particular form off of microfilm. Then you fill it out and give it
back to them. I think my letter request is much easier to do.

Vicky <>

On 29 Jan 97 08:25:33 EST Carl Eddy <> writes:
>Thanks Vicky, I'll try it your way and then amend my listing of
>helpful hints.
>Carl
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:42:31 -0600 (CST)
From:
Subject: FTM Questions

Hi,

I finally bought FTM and so far have really enjoyed working with it. It
certainly is easy to use. I didn't buy the deluxe version so I only
got the one CD that comes with the package. I would like to buy other
CD's but it looks like you could spend a bundle on them. In addition
to the original CD, what other CD's should one purchase to have a basic
set of working references?

I started two family lines but they do cross. Is there a way to move
data from one to the other so that you don't have to retype the info and
is there a way to link them together. I am not so much worried about the
linking as I don't want to have to retype info into the file.

What are some of the most useful printed reports. I have used family
group. I would like to do some trees but they cross three pages. Any
suggestions on the trees?

Thanks,

Jim Winston


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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:07:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Cecilia Lyon <>
Subject: Defragmenting

Judith,
Your the first person to explain my computer so I can understand
what they mean. I now understand it soooooo very much better. Thank you so
much, just by answering Paula's question on defragmening her computer you
have helped yet another lost soul in the ever growing cyberworld. Thank
you again, Cecilia

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
*~*~*~*~*~*~

Cecilia L. Lyon

Central Point, Oregon

searching names : Lyon, Sutter, Hamilton, Hopkins

Wever, Parker, Long, Clement, Lyon...

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
*~*~*~*~*~*~

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:08:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Cecilia Lyon <>
Subject: Defragmenting

Judith,
Your the first person to explain my computer so I can understand
what they mean. I now understand it soooooo very much better. Thank you so
much, just by answering Paula's question on defragmening her computer you
have helped yet another lost soul in the ever growing cyberworld. Thank
you again, Cecilia

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
*~*~*~*~*~*~

Cecilia L. Lyon

Central Point, Oregon

searching names : Lyon, Sutter, Hamilton, Hopkins

Wever, Parker, Long, Clement, Lyon...

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
*~*~*~*~*~*~

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:09:49 -0800
From: (Barbara Elise Christie)
Subject: Family Tree Maker gripes

Hi Gang - I am also a satisfied Family Tree Maker user, you just never
hear from the happy ones! I agree with what Karen said. Also, if you
want more information on how to use your FTM to the fullest and to get
info you missed when reading the manual AND to get help when you are
stuck try: (those are all ells not
ones) with subscribe in the body of the message. I get at least one
and sometimes two digests daily. Sometimes the messages are
interesting sometimes not, depends on where I am today! Barb

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From: "Sullivan, K. Mrs. EECS" <>
Subject: Comments on Family Tree Maker

I found Terri's response to Peggy Dolan's message to be interesting,
but
I have to say that I have been using FTM for several years and have
always been able to do what I wanted to do by using a little common
sense and the user's manual. And on the one occasion when I ran into
trouble (since I use Windows NT, not Win95 or Windows), I called their
tech-------BIG SNIP---------------BIG SNIP-------------------
Since the whole issue of which software to use seems to be an emotional
one, I think it's best to recommend only that software which you have
personal experience with. We all have different needs, levels of
expertise, and peferences. And somewhere out there, there's a software
package for each of us.
************************************************************************

****
Mrs. Karen Sullivan|

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:09:55 PST
From: (Vicky Bair)
Subject: Re: Comments on Family Tree Maker

Hi all,

Please let me say up front this msg is not to flame anyone!

The statement that Karen Sullivan made:

>> I I suspect that many of the people who post messages
>> asking for help are those who have an illegal copy which they
>installed
>> on their computers using someone else's software; therefore they do
>not
>> have any documentation.

I have seen a similiar type statement made on FTM help list several
months ago! IMHO people honestly need help. I have that big FTM
manual and sometimes it is down right confusing especially when you want
to do something right now. It is much easier to understand something if
someone else has already done this and can give you simplified
instructions.

And there are people out there that probably have an illegal copies of a
software. And there are people out there who hold the same opinion as
Karen.

But I agree with Bob:

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:53:28 -0500 "Robert B. Seymour"
<> writes:
>****I am sure that many of US who frequently ask of help DO have legal
>copies of software for which we paid good money. Please do not group
>us
>to be among your "friends and family" who are prone to illegally copy
>and use software programs.

So let's not ASSUME or JUDGE anyone. I have learned alot from all the
lists that I am on and hopefully I have helped in returned.

Oh and on the lighter side. Tell those friends and family to subscribe
to GEN-MAT list. A while back someone was selling really cheap FTM ver
3.01 and 3.02 for under $20.

Vicky <>

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:39:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Dorothy L Dolan <>
Subject: Re: Comments on Family Tree Maker

Mrs Sullivan may be pleased to receive assistance while paying
long-distance phone rates. If money is not a consideration for her, I
suppose she is to be congratulated.

I resent her suggestion that my Family Tree Maker software is a bootleg
edition. I seriously doubt if an unauthorized user would be eligible to
create a user web page - or is the implication that I am so dumb that I
am trying to do it anyway?

I understood that the purpose of this list was to provide a forum for the
inexperienced to get answers. Are there also those who have been
using genealogy software "for several years" and who monitor the posts
solely to chastise those who seek help?

Thanks to those who responded with helpful information.

Peggy Dolan

Dorothy L Dolan & Peggy A. Dolan


On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Sullivan, K. Mrs. EECS wrote:

> I found Terri's response to Peggy Dolan's message to be interesting, but
> I have to say that I have been using FTM for several years and have
> always been able to do what I wanted to do by using a little common
> sense and the user's manual. And on the one occasion when I ran into
> trouble (since I use Windows NT, not Win95 or Windows), I called their
> tech support number which is listed in the documentation and IMMEDIATELY
> was connected to someone who talked me through the whole procedure from
> beginning to end. I suspect that many of the people who post messages
> asking for help are those who have an illegal copy which they installed
> on their computers using someone else's software; therefore they do not
> have any documentation. I say this because several friends and family
> members have asked me for my software to install and have been miffed
> because I wouldn't give it to them.
>
> Since the whole issue of which software to use seems to be an emotional
> one, I think it's best to recommend only that software which you have
> personal experience with. We all have different needs, levels of
> expertise, and peferences. And somewhere out there, there's a software
> package for each of us.
> ************************************************************************
> ****
> Mrs. Karen Sullivan| Never let your head hang down.
> NT System Administrator| Never give up and sit down and
> Dept of Elec Engr & Comp Sci| grieve. Find another way. And
> U.S. Military Academy | don't pray when it rains if you
> | don't pray when the sun shines.
>
> | -- Satchel Paige
> ************************************************************************
> ****
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:07:56 -0800
From: "Jacques J. Comeau" <""@snet.net>
Subject: need info

Help! So many times I have copied a URL given by someone and when I try
to get it on this blankety blank toy, I get a message from my server that
says there is no DNA (oops!) I mean DNS. So, where can I punch in the
info to get these URLs? Boy, it is tough learning so late in life! Betty

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:52:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Dorothy L Dolan <>
Subject: FTM User Web Pages

Gee. Maybe I should try again. Can't believe that I seem to have started
a flame war when I've just joined the list!

In between suggesting that I am guilty of theft and arguing about the
merits of Family Tree Maker (which I have had and liked for 4 or 5 months
- I just bought the 3.4 upgrade), could anyone PLEASE answer my question
about what to put in the URL address box when creating the web page!?

TIA

Peggy

Dorothy L Dolan & Peggy A. Dolan


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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:57:49 -0600
From: "Laura K. Irvin" <>
Subject: Mower County, MN

Will trade Oklahoma County, OK research for Mower County, MN research.

Contact:
Laura K. Irvin
(it's an "ell", not a "one")
or

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:56:41 -0600
From: "Laura K. Irvin" <>
Subject: Native American Info

Jeanette -

For you and all who have joined this list recently, here is my original
post:

Although I have no Native Americans in my history (yet), I did help
someone who did. I went to the Oklahoma Historical Society who has a
Native American Research Department. They STRONGLY recommend reading the
book "The Five Civilized Tribes". It can give many clues about where
ancestors came from.

I also found this list of Oklahoma Tribal Headquarters Phone Numbers

Kaw Nation 405-269-2552
Otoe-Missouria 405-723-4434
Ponca 405-762-8104
Tonkawa 405-628-2561
Cheyenne/Arapohoe 405-262-0345
Citizen Band Potawatomi 405-275-3125
Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma 405-547-2403
Kickapoo 405-964-2075
Muscogee (Creek) 918-756-8700
Seminole 405-257-6287
Cherokee Nation 918-456-0671
Delaware of East Okla. 918-336-5272
Loyal Shawnee 918-256-6914
Miami 918-542-1445
Modoc 918-542-1190
Osage 918-287-2496
Ottawa 918-540-1190
Peoria 918-540-1536
Seneca-Cayuga 918-540-2535
United Keetoowah Band
of Cherokee 918-456-5491
Yuchi 918-227-3898
Chickasaw 405-436-2603
Choctaw 405-924-8280
Apache 405-247-9493
Caddo 405-656-2344
Comanche 405-492-4988
Delaware of West Okla. 405-247-2448
Ft. Sill Apache 405-588-2298
Kiowa 405-654-2300
Wichita 405-247-2425

Oklahoma Historical Society
2100 Lincoln Blvd.
Oklahoma City, OK 73105
Main Number: 405-521-2491
Archives (American Indian Records): 405-522-5209

Good hunting!
Laura Irvin
(it's an "ell", not a "one")

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