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From: "Lizzie Love" <>
Subject: Re: [TRIVVIES] Hospitals
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:57:31 -0000
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I agree entirely Gwen. There seems to be some idea that if you relax a rule
it's OK to have a free-for-all. Hence the chaos we see about us!!

Lizzie

>
> Yes, I agree with all of that Lizzie, also I do think the 'any time'
> visiting of adult patients should be reduced. The present system (in
> Warwick anyway) means its tiring for patients, and visitors feel they
> must stay longer which is also wearing. Set times except for family
> coming long distances etc would be better. That's my opinion anyway <g>
>
> Gwen xx
> -
>
> The greatest improvement is the freedom of parents to visit sick
> children. The old practises were barbaric. It was believed a child
> wouldn't *settle* if the mother visited (it was assumed that fathers
> were not interested) and even tiny tots were whisked away after an
> injury or illness and kept from their mothers until they were well (or
> dead!). They returned home traumatised and withdrawn and the medics said
> it was the result of their illness. Research into maternal deprivation
> was dismissed as mumbo-jumbo until the last quarter of the C20.
>
> The greatest deterioration has been in hygiene ... not only in
> hospitals, but everywhere. It was the basis of Florence Nightingale's
> work and resulted in a dramatic, immediate drop in sepsis, re-infection
> and the spread of epidemics. It was underpinned by strict discipline.
> That discipline has succumbed to modern ideas of *human rights* and
> enforcement is very difficult. Our reliance on antibiotics has also made
> us careless.
>
> Lizzie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liz Graydon" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:14 PM
> Subject: [TRIVVIES] Hospitals
>
>
> > So here is a topic for discussion and hopefully we can strike a
> > balance between patient and nurse as I'm sure we have all been one or
> > the other
> and
> > some even both.
> >
> > What have been the improvements and vice versa in hospital care over
> > the last 25 years or so. I don't mean to get onto the
> > economics/politics of these things but just to say what we think was
> > or is better.
> >
> > I'll kick off with one that Paul thought of.
> >
> > Breakfasts always used to be prepared in the ward kitchen - now it
> > comes
> up
> > on the trolleys. Paul had a slice of toast and it was solid and dry
> because
> > it had been on the trolley a while. When the staff nurse came round
> > she asked if he did not fancy eating it and he said yes he did but it
>
> > was dry and giving him a tickle but it hurt to cough. She said that
> > she wished
> they
> > could still make the toast on the wards and she would see what she
> > coudl do - bless her she came back with lovely warm buttery toast and
> > he loved it - then three more patients wanted it and she did theirs
> > too!!! So a little bit of extra care on her part actually got Paul to
>
> > the point where
> he
> > wanted to eat.
> >
> > Liz
> >
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