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From: Roz Griston <>
Subject: RE: [TRIVVIES] WW1 soldier and orphan
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:26:30 -0700
many thanks howie. and huge thank yous to jennifer, mary, and sue.
still need to get the south africa info going. but it sure looks like
we've nailed down harry's family in england. i'll get my inlaw cousin
to send off for the military record, which will hopefully confirm his
birth family/location. and then he can go for the birth cert..which
we're pretty sure we know which one needs to be ordered. we'll get this
orphans parent's sorted yet!!
trivvies do awesome work!!
On Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:49 AM, Howard Fuller
> Hi Roz,
> Coincidentally, the current (October) issue of 'Family Tree
> Magazine' -
> the British publication, not the newer US one of the same name - has
> four pages on research in SA by Rosemary Dixon-Smith of Natal
> research. As well as recommending the same site as Mary below, she
> mentions www.genealogyworld.net for beginners to SA ancestry, and
> www.ggsa.info for the SA Genealogical Society. Rosemary can be
> contacted by e-mail at
> > Hi Roz
> > I've done some research in South Africa. The site to go for is
> > http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs.htm
> > I'm running through the Holders listed from 1850 on - there are 168
> > entries on KAB - the Cape Town Archives... do you have any idea
> > whereabouts he was?
> > We have no census returns or anything like that - NAAIRS is the
> > place to start.
> > So far I've found lots of Frances Holder, but nothing for Harry
> > bye
> > mary
> > Roz Griston wrote:
> >> hi trivvies
> >> i've just made contact with my great uncle fred's wife, esme
> >> holder's
> >> family. esme's dad has the family stumped.
> >> this is what is known about him.
> >> Harry HOLDER born England, somewhere and was an orphan.
> >> died in WW1, france 1918 as a lance corporal serving in the duke
> >> wellington's west riding 2nd btn. info from the war graves
> >> commission.
> >> the family has a photo of him in uniform. they believe he is about
> >> 25
> >> years of age.
> >> ??could west riding be a clue to his birth location? who would
> >> contact to get more info on a WW1 soldier.
> >> could he have been a homechild aka bernardo's or something
> >> and shipped to s.a. and then signed up with the brit army? or
> >> he
> >> have had to sign up in england then possibly have done a tour of
> >> duty
> >> in s.a. enabling him to meet his s.a. born wife?
> >> he married possibly in south africa to adelaide johnson b. 1892.
> >> their
> >> first child was born dec 1912 in s.a.
> >> on freebmd, i have found a harry holder m. adelaide smith 1910.
> >> there are about a dozen harry holders born between 1870 and 1895
> >> who
> >> could be the necessary one. this harry has a sister or aunt named
> >> millie (could be amelia or mildred)
> >> i've misplaced the url for the 1901 brit census. could someone
> >> please
> >> share it.
> >> does anyone have access to the 1891 to see if we can turn up any
> >> likely candidates?
> >> has anyone had any experience with researching south africa?
> >> thanks for any help with harry holder.
> >> roz
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