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From: "Paul J. Harris" <>
Subject: RE: [GENBOX] child-parent question
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:48:03 -0500
In-Reply-To: <CHEMKKAJHOKJPIEOPLKDKEEHEPAA.clcasper@sprynet.com>


Cheri,

The tests I just performed by entering a new child from the Parent Summary
Tab, as long as the correct spouse is showing, did, in fact, link BOTH
parents to the child's Birth Event. Perhaps this behavior has changed from
some previous version. Are you still getting different results?

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cheri Casper [mailto:]
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 1:51 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [GENBOX] child-parent question
>
>
> Paul - I use the Family tab because the link to both parents is
> automatically created. By using the Summary tab, you have
> created a link to
> ONLY the focus person and then have to go to the Childbirth event or Birth
> event and add the second parent. I add all of my 'couple' events on the
> Family tab. Then I go to the Summary tab and just do down
> through the list
> of kids and set the sex. I also go to each one of the children
> and set the
> Defining Event for the Identifier and set my flags so if I forget
> to change
> the sex on the Summary page, I'll catch it on the Child's Attributes or
> Summary.
>
> CheriC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Klan [mailto:]
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:28 AM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [GENBOX] child-parent question
>
>
> Thanks a million, Paul. At least I believe I can safely claim the
> explanation and fix were not obvious. You are hereby flagged in my notes
> as a Bona Fide Power User :-).
>
> I've made a few comments below (including a possible change to the
> program), in response to some of your remarks.
>
> > For the child's birthdate to show up in this window, the Individual
> > must be entered as a Parent on the child's BIRTH EVENT.
>
> I think that means by entering a father's name or mother's name from the
> Summary View of an individual, you have not established a Birth Event,
> because the father/mother so-entered could be adoptive parents or
> godparents.
>
> > My guess is if Flora is showing in William's Summary Tab without a
> > birthdate, I would bet that if you go to Flora's Birth Event, you will
> > find that William is not entered as a Parent. Entering him here should
> > bring up Flora's birthdate in William's Summary Tab.
>
> You are exactly right.
>
> > It appears that when you entered Flora's parents, you probably did so
> > from Flora's Summary Tab, which created a Parent Record on the Parents
> > Tab, but did not connect her parents to her birth event.
>
> Again, exactly right. Awesome.
>
> > 1. When adding a previously missing biological parent, do it from the
> > Birth Event of the child. In so doing, a biological parents record will
> > be created automatically in the Parents Tab.
>
> OK. Now that I know this and the rationale, it will be easy to do in the
> future. For newcomers, though, it would be beneficial to have the program
> provide a pop-up when a father or mother is entered from the child's
> Summary View. This pop-up could ask/confirm whether this is a birth-
> parent. Experienced users could avoid an annoying pop-up by continuing to
> enter the parents in the "right way" (from the Birth event of the child).
>
> Once again, I am very appreciative to you, Paul, and to others on
> this list
> for your help.
>
> Mark
>
> Paul J. Harris wrote:
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Here is ONE explanation that I have come up with through observation, it
> is
> > nothing official:
> >
> > Children Window on Summary Tab
> >
> > For a child to merely show up in this window, they must have a record on
> the
> > child's Parents Tab that shows the Individual as a Parent of SOME kind.
> > Could be biological, adopted, Godparent, etc.
> >
> > For the child's birthdate to show up in this window, the Individual must
> be
> > entered as a Parent on the child's BIRTH EVENT.
> >
> > Notice the difference: There are two places to record the relationship
> > between a biological parent and child. In the Birth Event and on the
> Parents
> > Tab.
> >
> > My guess is if Flora is showing in William's Summary Tab without a
> > birthdate, I would bet that if you go to Flora's Birth Event, you will
> find
> > that William is not entered as a Parent. Entering him here
> should bring up
> > Flora's birthdate in William's Summary Tab.
> >
> > It appears that when you entered Flora's parents, you probably
> did so from
> > Flora's Summary Tab, which created a Parent Record on the
> Parents Tab, but
> > did not connect her parents to her birth event. Then you went
> to William's
> > Summary, with Naomi showing as spouse, and began entering Flora's
> siblings.
> > I believe in so doing, you were creating the data for the child's birth
> > event and William and Naomi were automatically linked to the
> birth event,
> > which in turn, created a Parent Record on the Parents Tab.
> >
> > While Genbox supports a wide variety and multiples of Parental
> Relationships
> > other than biological, those can only be created FROM the Parents Tab of
> the
> > Child, looking back at the parents. I don't believe I can enter
> an adopted
> > child FROM the parents record, only biological. IOW, only biological on
> the
> > way down, but anything goes on the way up! <g>
> >
> > So, my observations lead me to adopt the following:
> >
> > 1. When adding a previously missing biological parent, do it from the
> Birth
> > Event of the child. In so doing, a biological parents record will be
> created
> > automatically in the Parents Tab.
> >
> > 2. When adding a previously missing child, do it from the Summary or
> Family
> > Tab of the combination of parents. Either one will create a Birth Event
> for
> > the child, link the parent combination, and create a biological parents
> > record for the child. The Summary Tab shows sex for the child, but not
> > birthplace. The Family Tab shows birthplace, but not sex of the child. I
> > tend to use the Summary Tab to REMIND me to enter the sex. I think Cheri
> > prefers to use the Family Tab, and she will probably chime in
> with why, as
> I
> > can't remember. <g>
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mark Klan [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:25 AM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: [GENBOX] child-parent question
> > >
> > >
> > > I saw a similar question in the archives, but either it wasn't
> > > answered, or
> > > I didn't understand the answer :-). So here goes...
> > >
> > > In two different places, I have the following problem. For example,
> when
> > > dealing with Georgie, I knew her mother was Flora, and I entered Flora
> as
> > > Georgie's mother, along with Flora's birth/death dates.
> > >
> > > Later, I found info on Flora's parents, William & Naomi, along
> > > with William
> > > & Naomi's other children. When I added all of this to the
> database, the
> > > newly found children show their birthdate properly in the Children
> window
> > > of William's Summary view. But the child (Flora) I originally knew
> about
> > > is shown in the Children window of William's Summary view without a
> birth
> > > date.
> > >
> > > The sort order in that view is correct, and when I click on Flora, her
> > > birth is correctly shown in her Event Window on her summary page.
> > > But when
> > > I switch to the Family view for William, Flora is not listed as
> > > one of the
> > > children.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how to fix this? Also, would there have been a
> > > preferred
> > > way to enter Flora's parents so as to avoid this problem in the first
> > > place. Thanks in advance. I hope this is clear.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > > http://www.markklan.com (Acoustic Music Webtools)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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