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GENBRIT-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 13
Today's Topics:
#1 Re: HARRIS Surname [ (Peter De At]
#2 lost relatives [ (Al Jamieson)]
#3 Re: 5th DRAGOON GUARDS - WAS THIS [ (Forres]
#4 Re: name MORRITH [john[no_spam]@[no_spam]vetchfield.]
#5 Help in finding the name Rogers [Paul Rogers <]
#6 Re: Name Winterscale or similar [john[no_spam]@[no_spam]vetchfield.]
#7 Re: [ (GWilson404)]
#8 Beveridge problem [ (Gordon Jo]
#9 Surrey Co -Guildford/Wanborough [ (DONNA COLYE]
#10 Administrivia [ (John Donald]
#11 Norfolk-L Genealogy Mailing List [ (Mark Howells)]
#12 Re: GENBRIT-D Digest V97 #12 [ (Ken Titt)]
#13 GAELIC SOCIETY OF INVERNESS [ (Dona]
#14 Surnames seach web site - Sure! ;- [Rod Neep <>]
#15 ADMINISTRATIVE: Retrieving old me [ (Vicki Lindsay)]
#16 Poem about genealogy research ["Sarah Henson" <]
#17 Proving ancestral lines ["Sarah Henson" <]
#18 Re: Help in finding the name Roger [Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@st]
#19 Re: Help in finding the name Roger [ (Pam Thornbury)]
#20 DARRAH Surname [ (Peter De At]
#21 Re: Surrey Co -Guildford/Wanboroug [Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake <]
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X-Message: #1
Date: 21 Aug 1997 14:15:43 -0700
From: (Peter De Ath)
To:
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Subject: Re: HARRIS Surname
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Hi Mike,
All I have on the HARRIS name is that I gave in my mail of 20 Aug. i.e.
that entry in "Burkes Landed Gentry" and I only noticed that because I
found that my family were connected with the LYDALL family. I have plenty
on that family though and the genealogy of LYDALL of Uxmore has been
published (privately, however), but is available at the Oxford City
Archives. You might try looking for Henry HARRIS and Sarah (nee LYDALL),
following their marriage on 19 Oct 1848. According to my references, they
had no children and Henry was a widower at the time of his marriage to
Sarah. The marriage was in Trinity Church, Paddington, London, and they
took up residence in Calne, Wilts, where she died 22 Aug 1888
The only other thing I know about HARRIS of Calne, is that when I served in
the RAF at Compton Bassett near Calne, we seemed to eat a lot of Harris's
pork pies, bacon and sausages!!
Best Wishes
(Peter De Ath (East of London FHS 37)
At 11:37 -0400 21/08/97, Mike Caswell wrote:
>Please add me to your Harris researchers. My interest is that I believe the
>Harris family of Calne was also in the Ingersoll Ontario area. My own
>Wiltshire Caswell line had a Cheese and Pork business there. Members of the
>Harris family still live in the village. The Calne Harris family also set
>up a pork factory in New York State and they developed the 'Wiltshire Cure'
> for bacon after discovering the process in the colder New World. I am also
>trying to connect the Harris family of Calne with Blackwater, Ireland, as
>this is where many pigs were exported to the UK, passing through Calne on
>their way to London. There was strong evidence of Caswells, Bassetts, and
>Baskervilles of Wiltshire who were farming in the Blackwater area. The
>Ontario Caswells descend from this line.
>
>Any help in this regard would be appreciated!
>
>please see our Wiltshire gene webpage at:-
>www.moonrakers.com
>
>DO you have a database on your Calne Harris line? I'd LOVE to see it!
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I have a connection with a Henry HARRIS, when he joined the LYDALL
>family,
>> by marrying Sarah LYDALL (b. 16 Sep 1800), on 19 Oct 1848. Henry was
>> from Calne Wilts and probably a member of the famous sausage and pie
>> manufacturing firm there. (See Burkes Landed Gentry, page 475 , under
>> name LYDALL of Uxmore, sub-heading children of John LYDALL of Uxmore
>Oxon
>> (now out of print but probably available from your local reference
>library
>> or the LDS). Henry died 22 Aug 1888.
>>
>> My Gt Grandmother was daughter of one of Sarah LYDALLs sisters.
>>
>> Any help?
>>
>> BW
>>
>> Peter De Ath (East of London FHS 37)
>>
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X-Message: #2
Date: 21 Aug 1997 14:46:28 -0700
From: (Al Jamieson)
To:
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Subject: lost relatives
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Hi everyone,
I posted a message like this one a few days ago but cannot remember where
I sent it. So my apologies if this is a second posting.
I am researching the following families:
MOATE (late 1700-early 1800) --North/South Newbald area
HARDY (early 1800s) -- Brandesburton/Sutton area
ATKINSON (early 1700s) --Saxton/Lead area
JAMIESON (early 1900s) -- possibly Hedon/Hull area
Any help would be much appreciated.
Al Jamieson in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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X-Message: #3
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:08:37 GMT
From: (Forrest Anderson)
To:
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Subject: Re: 5th DRAGOON GUARDS - WAS THIS REGIMENT EVER IN CANADA?
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On 20 Aug 1997 18:22:22 -0700, (Catherine
Keelan-Parsons) wrote:
>Did this Regiment serve in Canada?
>I need to know where the Regiment was posted from approximately
>1820 onwards. One of my ancestors was alleged to have been
>"killed by the Indians" and it is likely to have been George.
I can't give an immediate answer on this one, I'm afraid. They fought in
the Peninsula from 1811-14, and thereafter at the Crimea from 1854-55 and
the Boer War from 1899-1902, but the blanks between are proving
difficult!
In 1922, the 5th (Princess Charlotte of Wales's) Dragoon Guards (as they
were known 1823-1921) was amalgamated with The Inniskillings (6th
Dragoons) to form a regiment that became, in 1935, the 5th Royal
Inniskilling Dragoon Guards. In 1992, this regiment was amalgamated
with another to form The Royal Dragoon Guards. With all that in mind, you
may want to contact one of the following regimental museums (information
taken from
http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists-f-j/history-sources/files/military-museums):
Cheshire Military Museum
The Castle, Chester, Cheshire CH1 2DN
Phone: +44 (0) 1244 327617
Fax: +44 (0) 1244 327617
Computer: http://chandra.chester.ac.uk/~rbarr/military.htm
Open: Daily
Display of 300 years history of 5th Roy Iniskilling Dragoon Grds,
3rd Carabiniers, Cheshire Yeomanry & Cheshire Regiment: weapons,
uniforms, medals, Colours & Standards, pictures & Regtl. Silver
and...
Combined Irish Cavalry Regiments Collection.
now in Cheshire Military Museum, The Castle, Chester CH1 2DN
(ex: Carrickfergus Castle, Co. Antrim, N. Ireland)
Phone: +44 (0) 1244 327617
Fax: +44 (0) 1244 327617
Open: Daily
Weapons, uniforms, equipment, medals & pictures of 5th Dragoon
Guards, 6th Iniskilling Dragoons, 5th Royal Iniskilling Dragoon
Guards, 3 Regiments of Hussars & North Irish Horse.
Alternatively, you may wish to see if you can find the following titles
at a library:
"Historical Record of the Fifth, or Princess Charlotte of Wales's
Regiment of Dragoon Guards; containing an account of the Formation of the
Regiment in 1685 and of its subsequent Services to 1838". 99 pages. 1839.
"The Story of a Regiment of Horse, being the Regimental History from 1685
to 1922 of the 5th Princess Charlotte of Wales's Dragoon Guards".
Compiled by Maj the Hon Ralph Legge Pomeroy. 1924. 2 Volumes.
"The Story of the Fifth Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards together with a
short account of their illustrious parent regiments The Fifth Princess
Charlotte of Wales's Dragoon Guards and The Sixth Inniskilling Dragoons".
Compiled by Roger Evans. 1951. 44 pages
Hope that's a start...
Forrest
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Forrest Anderson
Edinburgh
Scotland
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X-Message: #4
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:47:15 GMT
From: john[no_spam]@[no_spam]vetchfield.win-uk.net (John E Wynn)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: name MORRITH
In article <>, Gary and Prue
() writes:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>Has anyone had anything to do with the surname MORRITH? I know this is =
>a surname query but I have had no luck trying to follow it up elsewhere. =
> It is the name of my g-g-g-grandmother - could it be a version of =
>MORRIS? TIA for any help!
>
Your posting is difficult to read as it appears in both plain text and html
formats (at least at my end).
The surname MORRITH is not present in UK, so MORRIS may be a good alternative.
Another choice could be MORRITT, there are nearly 400 people of this name,
many of whom live in Yorkshire.
John Wynn
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X-Message: #5
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:04:22 +0100
From: Paul Rogers <>
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Help in finding the name Rogers
I am very new to finding out about my family. I am 12 years old and
would like to find out about anyone who has the name Rogers.
Also what is the best way to trace your family and is there any help
on the web that can hepl me get started.
My Grandpop was born in Stockport Chesire but has now died. His name was
Thomas William Rogers.
Thank you very much
#
Matthew
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X-Message: #6
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:37:29 GMT
From: john[no_spam]@[no_spam]vetchfield.win-uk.net (John E Wynn)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: Name Winterscale or similar
In article <01bcace3$3c9ff1c0$>, "Bill" (
>My Grandmother (dead these many years, God rest her soul) was born in
>Liverpool. Claimed her mother was a "Winterscale", a shipping family in
>that city. Is there such a family name?
The name Winterscale is not present in UK at the moment, but I wonder if
grandmother confused it with Wintersgill, which is about the nearest I can
find. Can't help with any shipping connection though. There are about 120
Wintersgill families, but only 2 are in Liverpool.
John Wynn
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X-Message: #7
Date: 21 Aug 1997 22:22:56 GMT
From: (GWilson404)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re:
I use AOL and it seems to handle the MIME ok. I use V3.01i, rather than
2.5, I think it was before : updated a few months ago. Could that make the
difference.
Gerald Wilson
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X-Message: #8
Date: 21 Aug 1997 15:21:14 -0700
From: (Gordon Johnson)
To:
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Subject: Beveridge problem
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Problem stated was:
Death certificate stated:
9th Sept 1870 at 3 Wardlawhill, Rutherglen, Co. Lanark.
BEVERIDGE Peter, 52 years, Coal Miner
Married to Agnes Wilson
son of Robert BEVERIDGE, Coal Miner (decd) and Margaret AIR (decd)
informant David Wilson BEVERIDGE, Son.
The 1861 Census for Rutherglen stated:
Peter BEVERIDGE Head Mar 47 Coal Miner born Tollcross
Lanark
The Old Parochial Register Index for christenings in
Lanarkshire had the following entry:
BEVERIDGE
Chr: 30/1/1814 in Old Monkland with parents being Robert BEVERIDGE and
Margaret URE.
So my question is how can I be sure that this entry in the Old Parochial
Register is my Peter considering that Peter stated on the Census that he
was born in Tollcross
Also could the surname URE or URIE be pronounced the same as the surname
AIR ?
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Solutions:
1. Part of Tollcross was in Old Monkland parish, so the two birth places
can be reconciled. (Ref: Groome's Ordnace Gazetter of Scotland, pub. 1874)
2. Death certificates are less reliable than other records, because the
deceased is not the informant. In other vital records, the person is alive
and better able to ensure accuracy.
3. Bad writing or pronunciation, or in the case of a death informant,
faulty knowledge, can lead to variant spellings of a name.
4. The OPR entry was from the index only, so you should now chek the full
entry on the OPR microfilm to see if the father was a coal miner. The
combination of correct occupation with all the other names being correct,
has a 99 per cent chance of being correct, especially if either Beveridge
or Ure/Air was uncommon in that location.
Hope that helps sort things out.
Gordon, in Aberdeen.
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Gordon Johnson, Aberdeen, Scotland.
KinHelp - historical surname searches & genealogical services:
http://www.web-ecosse.com/genes/genes.htm
Home page with more goodies - http://www.wintermute.co.uk/~kinman/
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X-Message: #9
Date: 21 Aug 1997 15:26:28 -0700
From: (DONNA COLYER HUNT)
To:
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Subject: Surrey Co -Guildford/Wanborough
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Hi
Searching for more biographical info on MORRIS BIRKBECK, b c1764 Surrey Co,
raised in Guildford area. His father Morris Birkbeck, was reportedly a
Quaker preacher.
Morris, the son, leased manor farm at Wanborough from Earl of Onsley (ref-
Wanborough-From Barrow to World War by WSurrey FHS), considered at
staunch Quaker - manor farm may have been a meeting place.
Morris married Prudence Bush, who died c1804, probably in Wanborough
and they had produced the following children -
Eliza
Bradford or Samuel Bradford
Morris
Richard
Charles
Prudence
Elizabeth
Morris Birkbeck (1764-1825) migrated US in 1817, founding a settlement named
for Wanborough estate in southern ILL.
He was the author of many pamphlets and tracts on US and ILL territories
"Letters on a journey from VA to ILL" "Letters from ILL"
It has been said that his writings, printed in England, had much influence on
those
wanting to migrate and many followed him.
I am collecting any and all info on this family for article in local history
book of
Edwards County ILL.
Thanks
DONNA COLYER HUNT
HTTP://WWW.MYCHOICE.NET/COLYER55/
EMAIL TO:
SNAIL TO: 808 E DEYOUNG, MARION IL 62959
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X-Message: #10
Date: 21 Aug 1997 16:44:50 -0700
From: (John Donaldson)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Administrivia
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Would it be possible to have a message similar to the one found on SURNAMES
just under the index attached to this list. Perhaps it could also state the
address for sending letters to the list as well. The following is a copy of
the message used on SURNAMES.
Administrivia:
To unsubscribe from the SURNAMES list, send mail to
with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the
message body. Your request will be processed automatically, so
please be sure that this is the *only* thing that appears in the
body -- even a signature file may cause it to fail.
John Donaldson
There is more felicity on the far side of baldness than young men can
possibly imagine.
- Logan Pearsall Smith (1865-1946)
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X-Message: #11
Date: 21 Aug 1997 17:31:09 -0700
From: (Mark Howells)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Norfolk-L Genealogy Mailing List
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Hi Norfolk Researchers -
Just a reminder that the Norfolk-L Genealogy Mailing List is
available to all genealogists with research interests in the county
of Norfolk. This is a free e-mail mailing list. Over 305
researchers with Norfolk interests currently subscribe.
Subscription information can be found at
http://www.oz.net/~markhow/genuki/NFK/norfmail.htm
Also, if you have surnames in Norfolk which you are researching,
stop by the Norfolk Surnames List - a part of the Norfolk section
of the GENUKI project. Check for the e-mail addresses of others
researching surnames in Norfolk and post those which you are
researching. It can be found at
http://www.oz.net/~markhow/genuki/NFK/norfsur.htm
Cheers - Mark
--
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X-Message: #12
Date: 21 Aug 1997 17:44:40 -0700
From: (Ken Titt)
To:
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Subject: Re: GENBRIT-D Digest V97 #12
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In reply to the following message:
>
> Subject:
> Re:
> Date:
> 21 Aug 1997 20:27:31 GMT
> From:
> (RJBawden)
> To:
>
>
>
> >I have not had problems with the mime on AOL . I use the flash-mail
> facility
> >,It automatically decodes the file as it downloads, and I read it with
> >Wordpad.
> >Hope this helps
>
> I also use AOL and flashmail but get gobbledegook - even using Word pad.
> Can anyone suggest a fix?
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
Drop AOL A.S.A.P.
Ken
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X-Message: #13
Date: 21 Aug 1997 19:24:30 -0700
From: (Donald Nicholson)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: GAELIC SOCIETY OF INVERNESS
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From time to time I have read some very interesting reports written by
members of the Gaelic Society of Inverness. Would someone know the address
of this organization? I would like to write them and obtain information on
how to place an order.
Donald Nicholson
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X-Message: #14
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 03:34:29 +0100
From: Rod Neep <>
To:
Message-ID: <G129XZB1qP$zEw+p@neep.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Surnames seach web site - Sure! ;-)
If, like me, you have just received a message to go look at your
family's origins at:
http://www.nametrace.com/special/familyu.htm
Then by all means go look... but... erm... this just has to be another
one of those scams ;-)
The site tells me:
"Yes! We have researched your Family History "
hmmm... really ??? I wonder why...
<Picture>
"The History and Coat of Arms of the Neep family "
hmmm.... was I *impressed* with this ;-) ...
(please excuse the cynicism..... but I am cynical about this)
they then go on to tell me:
=======
The history of this ancient Perthshire family traces its ancestry as a
family of Dalriadian origin before the year 1100 and appears first in
the ancient records in Perthshire . This completely researched parchment
history of the Neep family not only includes in full colour the most
ancient family name Coat of Arms but traces the surname origin forward
from the 11th or 12th century. This beautifully detailed history
includes the Neep nobles & titles, the family castles, estates and
manors, the battles, wars and feuds they overcame, the branches as they
formed throughout Europe, pioneers and settler's and also the notables
of this distinguised family who lived during this century.
Learn more about the Neep family in this 1700 word beautifully
illuminated parchment of this great distinguished family. These
parchment scrolls are also recommended as a guide or roadmap of where
the family held branches during the centuries for family historians or
genealogists.
<Picture>
Order Your Complete Surname History and Coat of Arms Now!
Satisfaction Guaranteed!
===========
hmmm... Dalradian origin in Perthshire, Scotland..... wow! ;-)
so I can wear a tartan after all ;-)
the site then lets you look at the clans and tartans associated with
this famous Scottish name....
"Results of Your Clan and Tartan Search:
We are presently unable to locate your name in this prototype database
of Scottish surnames. However, try our main database "Name Trace" below.
It is much larger, with 25 years of research supporting it. "
hmmm... it would appear that the name isn't in the list of Scottish
names on their database after all ;-(
*so* disappointing! ;-) ;-)
seriously, folks... don't get pulled in by this one.... it, like so many
other similar schemes... has no genealogical merit.
Rod
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X-Message: #15
Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:31:47 -0700
From: (Vicki Lindsay)
To:
Message-ID: <v03102815b022e140b0de@[10.0.2.15]>
Subject: ADMINISTRATIVE: Retrieving old messages
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
All:
Below some instructions for retrieving lost GenBrit digests:
1) email
2) subject line has to have the word archive (in all lowercase)
3) you should only have the line "get volume97/x" without the quotes and
where x=the digest number (x=1 for first digest, x=2 for second digest, x=3
for third digest, etc.) It is important that you type it in all lower case
and without the quotes. Each line =must= begin with the word get.
4) do not include your name, email address or anything else.
Thank you,
Vicki Lindsay
Assistant List Administrator
(mailto:)
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X-Message: #16
Date: 22 Aug 1997 08:01:15 GMT
From: "Sarah Henson" <>
To:
Message-ID: <01bcaed1$0823e7e0$>
Subject: Poem about genealogy research
Hi,
A couple of weeks ago, someone posted a poem which had been found
concerning our family history research and what our ancestors might think
of us if they knew about it.
Does anyone have a copy of this still? I thought I had filed it, but on
looking it has disappeared!
If anyone still has this note and could send it to me I'd be very very
grateful!
Thanks
Sarah ()
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X-Message: #17
Date: 22 Aug 1997 08:06:01 GMT
From: "Sarah Henson" <>
To:
Message-ID: <01bcaed1$b3086140$>
Subject: Proving ancestral lines
I've managed to trace my family line back to before 1837 and so have
recently started looking at parish registers for baptisms, burials etc. The
trouble is I seem to be assuming an awful lot from dates, names and places
and I'm worried that I may be barking up the wrong tree with a couple of
people. I don't want to end up tracing totally the wrong family and
wondered if anyone had any tips on how to prove the lineage further?
(For example, from an 1841 census I have a father who is 40, so I assume he
is born in around 1800-1, and then from the parish records I find someone
of the same name born around this date. If I have no idea of his parents
name, how can I be sure it is the right person?)
Thanks for any help.
Sarah ()
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X-Message: #18
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:08:50 -0700
From: Lesley Robertson <?>
To:
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Subject: Re: Help in finding the name Rogers
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Paul Rogers wrote:
>
> I am very new to finding out about my family. I am 12 years old and
> would like to find out about anyone who has the name Rogers.
>
> Also what is the best way to trace your family and is there any help
> on the web that can hepl me get started.
>
> My Grandpop was born in Stockport Chesire but has now died. His name was
> Thomas William Rogers.
>
> Thank you very much
> #
>
> Matthew
Matthew,
Rogers is not a very rae name, so you might get on faster (without
being swamped by unrelated information) if you concentrate on your own
line. First, talk to your parents, uncles, aunts, (great uncles and
aunts, your other grandparents if they're still around). Get as much
information as possible - dates are very important. See if your parents
can provide birth, marriage and death certificates - these give lots of
useful information including place of birth, dates, etc. It is possible
to buy more certificates, but this can get expensive. Get all the
information you've collected onto paper as a family tree. Do what I wish
I'd done at your age - don't just collect family photos - write on the
back who the people are!
I see you've got a UK email address, so I assume that you're somewhere
in Britain. I think that if you ask in your local library, they will be
able to tell you where the nearest Family Hisotry Society is. You may
also find that the library has collections of useful information such as
the census, parish records and other goodies.
good luck,
Lesley Robertson
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X-Message: #19
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:05:31 GMT
From: (Pam Thornbury)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: Help in finding the name Rogers
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:04:22 +0100, Paul Rogers
<> wrote:
>
>I am very new to finding out about my family. I am 12 years old and
>would like to find out about anyone who has the name Rogers.
>
>Also what is the best way to trace your family and is there any help
>on the web that can hepl me get started.
>
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:04:22 +0100, in soc.genealogy.britain you
wrote:
>
>I am very new to finding out about my family. I am 12 years old and
>would like to find out about anyone who has the name Rogers.
>
>Also what is the best way to trace your family and is there any help
>on the web that can hepl me get started.
>
Hello Matthew,
Even though I am a grandmother, I am just starting out finding my
family history as well.
I found some very helpful information today about how to start your
researches. It is the website for the Glamorgan Family History
Society: http://members.aol.com/GFHSOC
If you click on the link "Notes for Beginners" you can print it out
and read it when you have the time. (It is 4 pages).
Also, if you join your local Family History Society, I am sure you
will get lots of help from the other members.
Good luck and happy hunting,
Pam (from England but now living in New Zealand)
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X-Message: #20
Date: 22 Aug 1997 03:29:46 -0700
From: (Peter De Ath)
To:
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Subject: DARRAH Surname
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Hello All,
I have been having some trouble getting mail to this new list, so please
forgive me if you have already read this submission.
As a new subscriber to this list, I would like to post my Irish surname
interests.
My mothers maiden name was Eleanor Annie DARRAH and altho she was born in
Rotherhithe London in 1894, the daughter of Joseph DARRAH and Annie MASON,
I have traced her lineage back to Liverpool, Lancashire, when my ancestor
William DARRAH was baptised at St Peters Liverpool in 1784, the son of
Archibald DARRA and Jane (Unknown). LDS records show an Archibald DARRA in
Ballinderry or Ballindersy Antrim just before this. I am trying to prove
migration from Antrim to Liverpool.
William above was listed at Covent Garden Liverpool as a Freeman Cooper
(sworn 1806) and in 1832, after migrating to Bromley by Bow/Poplar, London,
was registered as an outvoter (being a Freeman) and eligible to vote in the
bye-election in Liverpool, following the death of the sitting Member of
Parliament, who was killed by a railway train at the inauguration of the
Manchester-Stockport Railway!
Williams descendants in Poplar were either coopers,stevedores or
lightermen, working in the East India Docks throughout the 19th century,
along with several other Irish families of that area, it seems.
If anyone is researching this family, or the DARRAH/DARRAGH/DARRA name in
Liverpool or the north of Ireland, I would be most grateful for any
information and also for any suggestions on where I can find out more about
this name.
Thank you
Regards
Peter De Ath (East of London FHS 37)
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:08:07 +0100
From: Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake <>
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Subject: Re: Surrey Co -Guildford/Wanborough
In article <>, DONNA
COLYER HUNT <> writes
>Hi
>
>Searching for more biographical info on MORRIS BIRKBECK, b c1764 Surrey Co,
>raised in Guildford area. His father Morris Birkbeck, was reportedly a
>Quaker preacher.
>
>Morris, the son, leased manor farm at Wanborough from Earl of Onsley (ref-
>Wanborough-From Barrow to World War by WSurrey FHS), considered at
>staunch Quaker - manor farm may have been a meeting place.
>
His landlord was probably the Earl of Onslow. The Onslows lived at
Clandon Park to the E of Guildford, and this is now owned by the
National Trust. It could be worthwhile writing to both the National
Trust and the Surrey CRO to see if there are records of his tenancy in
the Onslow family papers.
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Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake
Drake Software web site at http://www.tdrake.demon.co.u
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