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GENBRIT-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 130
Today's Topics:
#1 [INFO] Meertech Archive Contents []
#2 Re: FAMILY CRESTS & COATS OF ARMS [Charles Ellson <]
#3 Re: What does Occupier mean on Bir [Charles Ellson <]
#4 Re: death records [Charles Ellson <]
#5 [ADMIN] Irish postings [ (Vicki Lindsay)]
#6 Re: passenger lists Ireland to US [ (Alison Davies)]
#7 Descendants of Richard Floyd [ (John Johnson]
#8 Railway Employee Archives [ (Davi]
#9 GENBRIT-D Digest [ (Pat Thompson]
#10 Teesdale Union [was GENBRIT-D Dige [ (Pat Thompson]
#11 Re: Encoding Errors [ (Joyce Rea]
#12 Re: Occupation: Lapidary? [David Lund <]
#13 Foottit - where is the name from []
#14 Re: Chaise Driver-Occupation [ ()]
#15 re: Huntingdonshire connections. [ (Evans)]
#16 Re: Catholic Registers....... [ (AlanAnne)]
#17 ROVINGDEN: Phantom Kent place name [ (John Ashworth]
#18 Is there a Romsey in South Africa [ (Robert Eric]
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Meertech Archive Contents
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Summary
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This is a list of the FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) and other
regular postings which are posted to the soc.genealogy.britain newsgroup
and others in the soc.genealogy.* group of newsgroups which are held in
the archive at
All the documents are also available via the WWW at the URL
http://www.meertech.demon.co.uk/genuki/faqs.html.
The latest version of this document is posted to the
soc.genealogy.britain newsgroup and mailing list on the first of every
month.
If you have any comments or changes, or any suggestions for new topics
to be included, or you would like to write a note for inclusion in the
archive, then please contact John Woodgate, ()
Changes for this version (1.7 1997/08/25)
Updated the FAQ on basic newsgroup and mailing list 'netiquette'
Copyright and Disclaimer
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Copyright (c) 1997 by John Woodgate. All rights reserved.
This document may be freely redistributed in its entirety without
modification provided that this copyright notice is not removed. It may
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The author may be contacted at 50 Great Meadow Road, Bradley Stoke,
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Contents
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Frequently Asked Questions
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1. Basic newsgroup and mailing list "Netiquette"
2. Genealogy Related Newsgroups
3. Getting started
4. The Genealogy Meta-Faq - A Guide To FAQs
5. soc.genealogy.misc Faq
6. soc.genealogy.britain Faq
7. Professional Researchers
8. Frequently Asked Questions By New Readers
Other Regular Postings
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. Tutorial: How To Get Started
2. Tutorial: Useful Sources To Get You Started
3. Tutorial: Compressed And Archived Files
4. Tutorial: Researching From Abroad
5. Tutorial: Civil Registration
Frequently Asked Questions
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1. Basic newsgroup and mailing list "Netiquette"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
This FAQ outlines the basic newsgroup and mailing list
'Netiquette' which should be followed by anyone who wishes to
post to the soc.genealogy.* hierarchy of newsgroups and
mailing lists.
Latest Version
Version 1.8 1997/08/25
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get netiquette
end
2. Genealogy Related Newsgroups
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
This FAQ contains a list of the genealogy related newsgroups
available on the Internet.
Latest Version
V1.16 1997/07/12
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get newsgroups
end
3. Getting started
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
This FAQ contains a list of pointers and suggestions to help
people who are approaching the subject of genealogy for the
first time.
Latest Version
V1.7 1997/04/21
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get new_user
end
4. The Genealogy Meta-Faq - A Guide To FAQs
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
This is a 'meta-faq', i.e a place to direct you to the FAQs
and other regular postings which might be of interest to
genealogists.
Latest Version
V1.16 1997/06/08
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get meta-faq
end
5. soc.genealogy.misc Faq
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
This the FAQ for the soc.genealogy.misc newsgroup.
Latest Version
V1.10 1997/04/21
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get socgmisc
end
6. soc.genealogy.britain Faq
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
This is the FAQ for the soc.genealogy.britain newsgroup.
Latest Version
V2.5 1997/04/21
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get socguki
end
7. Professional Researchers
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Summary
This FAQ provides a list professional researchers who may be
able to help you in your genealogy quest.
Latest Version
V1.14 1997/08/25
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get adverts
end
8. Frequently Asked Questions By New Readers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
This FAQ provides answers to some of the questions posed by
new readers of the soc.genealogy.britain newsgroup and
GENUKI-L mailing list. Please check to see if your question is
answered here before posting your question.
Latest Version
1997/03/25
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get newbie
end
Other Regular Postings
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1. Tutorial: How To Get Started
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
A copy of the document available on the GENUKI web page. It
provides advice on how to get started.
Latest Version
1997/01/17
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get start
end
2. Tutorial: Useful Sources To Get You Started
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
A copy of the document available on the GENUKI web page. It
provides a list of useful sources.
Latest Version
1995/11/16
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get beginning
end
3. Tutorial: Compressed And Archived Files
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
A copy of the document available on the GENUKI web page. It
provides advice on how to handel compressed and archived
files.
Latest Version
1996/05/14
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get ftp
end
4. Tutorial: Researching From Abroad
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
A copy of the document available on the GENUKI web page. It
provides advice on how to conduct research in the UK and
Ireland from abroad.
Latest Version
V3 1996/02
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get epaper
end
5. Tutorial: Civil Registration
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Summary
A copy of the document available on the GENUKI web page. It
provides advice on Civil Registration in the England and
Wales.
Latest Version
1997/01/27
How To Get A Copy
send the following message:
To:
Subject: <Leave Blank>
get civreg
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X-Message: #2
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 03:56:33 GMT
From: Charles Ellson <>
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: FAMILY CRESTS & COATS OF ARMS
In article <>
"Nita Thornton" writes:
> Please excuse my ignorance but am I right in thinking any family
> can/could invent their own crest but that Coats of Arms are earned?
Not in Scotland they can't and no. Coats of Arms and similar designs
(IIRC anything using a component which itself is a part of any Coat of
Arms) require registration with the Lyon Court. Anyone willing to stump
up the fee can apply for arms to be registered, but the design has to be
approved by the Lyon Court (so as not to avoid confusion with other arms
or not to have any component reserved to royalty or any person or group of
persons). Arms are generally proper to specific individuals not to extended
families.
> Did this standard vary from country to country?
Yes.
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X-Message: #3
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 03:46:22 GMT
From: Charles Ellson <>
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: What does Occupier mean on Birth Cert.
In article <> writes:
> On a birth certificate that I just received from Edinburgh, Sct. it
> states under the signature and qualification of informant:
> Father and Occupier
> The mother's name & father's name are different. I assume that they
> were not married. Would Occupier mean a boarder in her home?
>
In its' usual context it refers to the person in charge of the building
(not always the owner) or part of it. If it's occupied by only one family,
then it usually refers to the head of that household; if it's a building
in multiple occupation then it could be a head of one of the households or
it could be a resident landlord/landlady. For the above example, it
identifies the informant as being normally resident at the place of death.
Unless it's a very old certificate (pre-1863?), then the certificate should
show whether or not the place of death was also the deceased's usual
residence.
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X-Message: #4
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 03:30:44 GMT
From: Charles Ellson <>
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: death records
In article <>
"Marianne" writes:
> Hi All,
>
> What information can I get from the death record of persons who died in
> Bradford in 1936 and 1938? Anything useful? I know where they lived at the
> time, does it contain parentage info or anything? Where can this be looked
> up?
>
English death certificates do not give parentage information as such, but
deceased children are usually described in relation to their parents, and a
parent who acts as informant is usually identified as such. The only way to
get information from English death registers (officially) is by purchasing
a copy of the register entry :-(. Plan B is to check the local newspapers
for death notices or obituaries.
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X-Message: #5
Date: 2 Oct 1997 13:31:22 -0700
From: (Vicki Lindsay)
To:
Message-ID: <v03102801b059af46d641@[10.0.2.15]>
Subject: [ADMIN] Irish postings
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All,
Steps are being taken to prevent messages regarding Ireland from posting to
this group. There may be some that trickle through.
When the vote was taken to split Ireland and Great Britain, the response
was enormous. It did not leave in anyone's doubt how the subscribers voted.
Since it was you (those who were subscribed at the time), who choose to
split the two out, it is also up to you to help us redirect people who post
in incorrectly.
For those of you who subscribed after the voting, you will need to adjust
your thinking. I doubt that the GENIRE or GENBRIT will be merging anytime
soon. :)
Vicki Lindsay
List Manager of GENBRIT
(mailto:)
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X-Message: #6
Date: 2 Oct 1997 13:51:24 -0700
From: (Alison Davies)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: passenger lists Ireland to US
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It has come to my attention by the List Manager of GENBRIT that they will
no longer post these ship lists. I am currently arranging with someone
in the UK who will post, so please be patient until I can get the list to
him.
In the past I tried doing lookups for people but the response was so
overwhelming that I couldn't keep up.
Sorry I will no longer be posting to this group. I will gladly post to
GENIRE if someone could send me the information as to how I subscribe to
this group.
SOrry for being a pain.
Alison Davies
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X-Message: #7
Date: 2 Oct 1997 14:02:47 -0700
From: (John Johnson)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Descendants of Richard Floyd
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Can anyone please help me with the following?, I am looking for the descendants
of:
Richard Floyd
born c. 1839, Buckfastleigh, Devonshire
died 15th October 1913, East Cramlington, Northumberland
Son of Thomas Floyd and Elizabeth Crimp and has a twin brother Thomas
Wife - Eliza Elford (no details of marriage)
born c. 1845, Bickleigh, Plympton, Devonshire
died 18th March 1928, Cramlington, Northumberland
daughter of Robert Elford and Mary Creber
His children are:
Mary Emma Floyd, born 4th Qtr 1869, East Cramlington, Northumberland
Thomas Floyd, born 2nd Qtr 1872, East Cramlington, Northumberland, died 1888
Eliza Floyd, born 4th Qtr 1873, East Cramlington, Northumberland
Bessie Floyd, born 4th Qtr 1875, East Cramlington, Northumberland
Dinah Floyd, born 9th Jan 1878, East Cramlington, Northumberland **
Richard Floyd, born March 1881, East Cramlington, Northumberland
John Floyd, born 1885, East Cramlington, Northumberland
Thomas Floyd, born 1889, East Cramlington, Northumberland
** Dinah Floyd, 1st marriage, Thomas Donnelly, 13th August 1898 at Hexham,
Northumberland.
** Dinah Floyd, 2nd marriage, Robert Barrott, 30th August 1919 at Dudley,
Worcestershire.
I am the Great Grandson of Dinah Floyd.
Regards
John Johnson
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X-Message: #8
Date: 2 Oct 1997 14:01:37 -0700
From: (David Hollick)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Railway Employee Archives
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>Date: 2 Oct 1997 02:15:32 -0700
From: (Wayne Bealey)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: RAILWAY archives(employees)
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I am looking for information on an ancestor William TOMLINSON.=20
The 1881 census states that he was a locomotive engineer and family =
knowledge
confirms he was born in Droylesden where he worked before moving to =
Wrawby.
Does any one out there know of any archives kept by the railway =
companies or
unions that I may be able to access?
Thanks in Advance.
Wayne.
<
Hi Wayne,
Surviving records are at the PRO Kew.
A good book on the subject is "Was Your Grandfather a Railwayman" by Tom
Richards" available from any FHS bookstall or family history aware
bookshop. ISBN 1-86006-014-5
Good hunting
David Hollick - Guild of One-Name Studies
HOLLICK & Variants World-Wide
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X-Message: #9
Date: 2 Oct 1997 14:06:56 -0700
From: (Pat Thompson)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: GENBRIT-D Digest
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Greetings All,
This is my first visit to GENBRIT-L Digest although I have been lurking
around for a week or so.
Could somebody help me, I am looking for the records of the Teesdale Union
particularly for the period 1910 to 1920.
I am researching my father's family and although I am way way back I am
having absolutely no joy whatsoever in finding out what happened to his
mother, my grandmother "Annie Mary Watson" nee Lumley (born 15 March 1890
to Thomas and Annie Elizabeth (nee Sayer) Lumley at Barnard Castle).
She married Ernest William Watson (born 16 April 1893 to Matthew and Mary
(nee Staley) Watson at Middleton in Teesdale) at Knaresbrough on 17 Dec
1910 and George, my father, appeared soon thereafter.
My father, and his younger sister Gwendoline, were fostered(?) by Robert
and Polly Thompson in Coundon Co. Durham (as Thompsons, hence my surname)
and Annie Mary had vanished. Ernest William died in Winterton Hospital in
1933
So the question is were the children fostered(?) through the Teesdale Union
unless somebody knows different (I live in hope)
Can anybody help?
Pat Thompson
(Pat as in Patrick)
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X-Message: #10
Date: 2 Oct 1997 14:16:19 -0700
From: (Pat Thompson, by way of Vicki Lindsay)
To:
Message-ID: <v03102807b059bf549a0f@[199.201.137.1]>
Subject: Teesdale Union [was GENBRIT-D Digest]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Greetings All,
This is my first visit to GENBRIT-L Digest although I have been lurking
around for a week or so.
Could somebody help me, I am looking for the records of the Teesdale Union
particularly for the period 1910 to 1920.
I am researching my father's family and although I am way way back I am
having absolutely no joy whatsoever in finding out what happened to his
mother, my grandmother "Annie Mary Watson" nee Lumley (born 15 March 1890
to Thomas and Annie Elizabeth (nee Sayer) Lumley at Barnard Castle).
She married Ernest William Watson (born 16 April 1893 to Matthew and Mary
(nee Staley) Watson at Middleton in Teesdale) at Knaresbrough on 17 Dec
1910 and George, my father, appeared soon thereafter.
My father, and his younger sister Gwendoline, were fostered(?) by Robert
and Polly Thompson in Coundon Co. Durham (as Thompsons, hence my surname)
and Annie Mary had vanished. Ernest William died in Winterton Hospital in
1933
So the question is were the children fostered(?) through the Teesdale Union
unless somebody knows different (I live in hope)
Can anybody help?
Pat Thompson
(Pat as in Patrick)
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X-Message: #11
Date: 2 Oct 1997 14:21:17 -0700
From: (Joyce Ream)
To:
Message-ID: <l03020903b059c1ac425c@[206.75.84.59]>
Subject: Re: Encoding Errors
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I am repeatedly getting messages with my Digest saying that a number of
encoding errors were found in the message. When I try to read it some
parts are readable, others are hieroglyphics. My Server says that these
encoding errors originate with the sender.
Can you please sort this out?
Thank you.
Joyce Ream
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X-Message: #12
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:36:44 +0100
From: David Lund <>
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: Occupation: Lapidary?
Lapidary is the business of cutting and polishing gem stones and a
person engaged in this would be a lapidarist.
In article <>, GRANT BUTTARS
<> writes
>Could anyone enlighten me on what this occupation might have been? I have the
>same person also listed as a farmer and as a merchant at other times.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Grant Buttars
>
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/GButtars.grantbut.htm
Best wishes,
David Lund
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X-Message: #13
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:57:54 GMT
From:
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Foottit - where is the name from
Does anyone have any information on this name. I want to find out
where it comes from.
thanks,
Elisabeth
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X-Message: #14
Date: 2 Oct 97 21:44:20 GMT
From: ()
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: Chaise Driver-Occupation
In <> Frank Elliot <> writes:
>In 1820 an ancestor had 'chaise driver of Ayr"
>listed as his occupation at the time of his
>wedding.Could someone shed some light on the sort of
>work he would most likely have been involved in?
A chaise was a bit like a country taxi - it was a vehicle available for
public hire, to take passengers from one point to another along the
highways. Room for two or at most 3 passengers, I think, and more
expensive than the coach, but quicker, and they took you where you wanted
to go. Some people travelled considerable distances by chaise, at a
fixed rate per mile. A driver might have been self-employed, but I think
the chaise companies ran whole fleets of chaises, maintained horses at
change points, and would have employed lots of drivers.
Harry Duckworth
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X-Message: #15
Date: 2 Oct 1997 15:25:49 -0700
From: (Evans)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: re: Huntingdonshire connections.
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Please can you tell me of any connections between GRAHAM/deHESDIN in the
11th/12th Cents.which you may know of. Thank you.
--
Anne S. Evans
Devon UK
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X-Message: #16
Date: 2 Oct 1997 22:46:57 GMT
From: (AlanAnne)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: Catholic Registers.......
In article <>, Phil Stringer
<> writes:
>Rob & Tracy Heard wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know anything about Catholic Registers and how to gain
>> access to them?
>
>Michael Gandy has produced an excellent series of books splitting
>the country into regions, and detailing all the RC churches
>the known registers and where to find them. I suggest you get a
>copy of the one for the area you are interested in.
I would second the Gandy recommendation but add that you could also read
Volume 3 of the National Index of Parish Registers: Sources for Roman
Catholic [and Jewish ] Genealogy and Family History which is edited by D J
Steel and E R Samuel and published by Philimore/SOG as apreliminary. I
found it very helpful.
Also there is an atlas to accompany the Gandy volumes
Alan and Anne Middlemass
Bearpark, Durham, UK
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X-Message: #17
Date: 2 Oct 1997 16:32:00 -0700
From: (John Ashworth)
To:
Message-ID: <v01540b00b059eab133fd@[207.23.94.164]>
Subject: ROVINGDEN: Phantom Kent place name?
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At the time of her marriage in Australia in 1860, a certain Jane Battam's
birthplace was recorded as Rovingden, Kent. This looks like a place name in
Kent; it has the feel of a County of Kent town or village. However, there
is no recognition of this reported place name in the Ordnance online
service nor can I find it an any gazeteer.
It would seem that Rovingden went through a transformed sea change into
something rich and strange on its way to Australia. Does this apparently
spurious name conjure up an associations in Kent?
With thanks,
John Ashworth
North Vancouver, British Columbia
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X-Message: #18
Date: 2 Oct 1997 16:53:19 -0700
From: (Robert Eric Meacock)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Is there a Romsey in South Africa
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Is there a place called Romsey in South Africa? If so and someone has
access to BDM list could they please
look up William Thomas SUMMERS born 23-3-1868 and provide parent info
names and where from if possible
TIA....Eric Meacock
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