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From: (Nick Cooper)
Subject: Re: 2nd Batallion Royal Scots 15/10/1914
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:11:42 GMT
References: <9m6io8$1cu$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, <9m7a64$82r$1@perki.connect.com.au>


On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:43:08 +1000, "Lorna Keefe"
<> wrote:

>In Memory of
>ARTHUR WILLIAM HEPTINSTALL
>Private
>6943
>2nd Bn., Royal Scots
>who died on
>Thursday, 15th October 1914. Age 30.
>Additional Information: Husband of M. A. Heptinstall, of 11, Pound St.,
>West Bowling, Bradford, Yorks. Native of Bradford.
>
>
>Commemorative Information
>Cemetery: BETHUNE TOWN CEMETERY, Pas de Calais, France
>Grave Reference/
>Panel Number: I. D. 25.

Likewise the friend:

J CRABB
Private
2944
2nd Bn., Royal Scots
Thursday, 15th October 1914.
BETHUNE TOWN CEMETERY, Pas de Calais, France
I. D. 12.

There is a less than 40% chance that the two men's personal files
survived the bombing in the last War, and most of what have are water
or fire damaged. 'C' surnames have been microfilmed and are available
at the Public Record Office at Kew (class WO 363 - the 'Burnt
Documents'), but 'H' is not expected to be available until April next
year. Details are on the PRO web-site:

http://www.pro.gov.uk/research/easysearch/army_otherranks_WWIletters.htm

'Soldiers Died in the Great War' has the added information that
Heptinstall was born and enlisted in Bradford, while Crabb was born in
Forfar, and was resident at Letham, Forfar when he enlisted at
Glencourse, Midlothian. His first name was James, and both men died
of wounds (DoW), as opposed to being directed killed in action (KIA).
The 2nd Battalion, the Royal Scots had six deaths between 1-14 Oct,
three being in the France & Flanders theatre (one DoW, two KIA), two
at Home (one Dow, one Died), and one in Germany (DoW), presumably a
Prisoner of War. On 15 Oct, though, there were 57 deaths, all but the
two named being KIA. Between 16-31 Oct, a further eight were KIA and
three DoW. All this suggests either an attack on or by German forces
on 15 Oct, probably the former.

A sample of 20 of the 55 KIA shows 25% buried at Y Farm Military
Cemetery, Bois Gernier, 45% at Vieille-Chapelle New Military Cemetery,
Lacouture, and the remaining 30% commemorated on the La Touret
Memorial. All three lie to the north-east of Bethune, between the
town and Armentieres. The two cemeteries, however, are a good 12km
apart, and all the Royal Scots burials were post-War, having been
brought in from small sites in the area.

The 2nd Battalion's War Diary covering Aug 1914 - May 1919 is held at
the PRO, the piece number being WO95/1423. War Diaries rarely list
Other Ranks by name, although there is a possibility with deaths this
early on in the War. The Diary should, though, contain orders for and
an afterwards report of the action on 15 Oct.
--
Nick Cooper
Leeds, UK

Lost in France (& Belgium) - Two weeks in Normandy, the Somme & Flanders:
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Simon the Cat of 'HMS Amethyst':
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