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From: "Nick" <>
Subject: Re: Lettice Knollys
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:09:25 +0000 (UTC)
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"Jeff" <> wrote in message
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> "Brian Austin" <> wrote in message
> news:dpcclt$pf7$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> And exactly what point am I supposed to have missed?
>>
>> Brian Austin
>> "Nick" <> wrote in message
>> news:dpbrsa$2c4$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>>
>>> "Eve McLaughlin" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>> >
>>> >>I would imagine that the only people who know and care that Knollys is
>>> >>really pronounced to rhyme with bowls is the upper class strata from
>> which
>>> >>the family comes. Indeed the fact that people would know the correct
>>> >>pronunciation would suggest that they came from that same strata,
>>> >>which
>>> >>presumably most of us don't.
>>> >
>>> > No - this is the normal pronunciation, and sometimes appearts
>>> > phonetically spelled as Nowles, so any researcher needs to know the
>>> > fact.. It is not elitist, any more than saying Wuster for Worcester,
>>> > Toaster for Towcester and Lester for Leicester is.
>>> >
>>>
>>> OK, well then how about Featherstonehaugh, which I understand is
>> pronounced
>>> Fanshawe.
>>>
>>> But whatever we pronounce our Knollys Road to rhyme with dollies. You
>>> can
>>> say this is the local pronunciation or whatever, but local pronunciation
>> is
>>> valid. The person who spoke about the people in Pepys Road not
>>> pronouncing
>>> it like the diarist seems to have missed the point.
>>>
>>> I remember my mother saying that she once went to Theydon Bois on the
>>> Central London line on the London Underground. She pronounced the Bois
>>> in
>>> her schoolgirl French to rhyme with moi. The booking clerk looked at her
>> as
>>> though she was mad.
>
>
>
> The origin is family of Bois (de Bosco) which held the manor in the 12th
> and 13th centuries
>
> From: 'Theydon Bois: Introduction', A History of the County of Essex:
> Volume 4: Ongar Hundred (1956), pp. 249-51. URL:
> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=15695. Date accessed:
> 02 January 2006.
>

I am sure it is of French origin, but my point was that when she pronounced
"Bois" with a French accent the clerk looked at her strangely because
everyone round there pronounces it as "Boys".

Nick


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