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From: David Bostwick< >
Subject: RESULT: soc.genealogy.computing charter change fails 51:48
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 99 17:26:16 GMT


RESULT
soc.genealogy.computing charter change fails 51:48

There were 51 YES votes and 48 NO votes, for a total of 99 valid votes.
There were 2 abstains.

For passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the change
may not be voted on again for six months.

Newsgroups line:
soc.genealogy.computing Genealogical computing & net resources

The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 31 Mar 1999.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed change should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Ted Elston <>
Proponent: John Pimentel <>
Proponent: Jim Royer <>

Votetaker: David Bostwick <>

RATIONALE: soc.genealogy.computing charter change

The soc.genealogy.computing newsgroup was established to create a
discussion area relevant to the use of computer software and hardware as an
aid in genealogy research. The newsgroup has been in recurring debate over
the content of numerous messages posted to the group since its creation.
The proposed changes are intended to clarify the proper use of this
newsgroup and establish revised guidelines that are clear and
understandable to the general readership.

This newsgroup is attached to the GENCMP-L mailing list currently at
ROOTSWEB.COM, which maintains searchable archives for this newsgroup/
mailing list.

CHARTER: soc.genealogy.computing

soc.genealogy.computing Genealogical computing & net resources

Unmoderated, not archived, and gatewayed to the GENCMP-L mailing list.
The GENCMP-L mailing list is archived.

Discussion of computer-based genealogical tools/resources of any type,
provided the discussion pertains specifically to the genealogical
application of hardware and/or software - not just tech support of the
hardware and/or software, if it can be utilized for other purposes not
related to genealogy.

Posts to soc.genealogy.computing should conform to the guidelines
found in the current version of RFC 1855, Netiquette Guidelines
(October 1995 at the time this is written). A link to this document
is included in the monthly posting of the soc.genealogy.computing FAQ.

For each given major topic category, Software, Hardware, On-line resources,
Other computer resources, and Meta-discussions concerning the entire
soc.genealogy.* hierarchy, these enumeration's are not exhaustive.

Software:
programs, tafel generators, chart utilities, GEDCOM format, OCR
software, etc.

Hardware:
computers, printers, scanners, and laptop/software combinations,
digital cameras, zip drives, back-up storage drives, etc.

On-line resources:
related gophers, webs, ftp sites, lists.
library catalogs.
geographic or history servers.
data archives (eg. tafel repositories)
etc.

Other computer related resources:
CD based data.
Other electronic forums; Web pages, Chat Areas, BBS's, Fidonet,
etc.

Meta-discussions concerning the entire soc.genealogy.* hierarchy.
periodic posting of key FAQs and charters.
how to access the archives of sister groups.
problems with or suggestions for any sister group.
etc.

The topics in this newsgroup are widely varied, so it is strongly
encouraged that subject lines include the standard abbreviation of product
names, when a particular product is referred to, to permit the general
readership to determine which posts are of interest. The generally
accepted abbreviations will be posted in the soc.genealogy.computing
monthly FAQ.

Since computing includes on-line resources, and this certainly includes
Usenet, discussion about the soc.genealogy.* groups themselves is
considered appropriate. Discussion of computer equipment, systems, software
or techniques not directly related to genealogy should be posted to a
newsgroup specific to the question. In most cases this would be in the
comp.* hierarchy.

Announcements of recent availability of and discussion of freeware,
shareware or commercial software and services are acceptable, but
advertisements from vendors, including "for-sale" posts from individuals,
are not. In general, if the poster expects to gain a financial profit
from a post, the post should goelsewhere, e.g. soc.genealogy.marketplace,
misc.forsale or biz.*

For the purpose of this charter a "commercial entity" or "vendor" shall be
defined as any person, organization or business who generates income or
receives services in kind based on products or services provided.

An "Advertisement" or "Ad" is considered to be any message containing
direct information concerning products or services available where a fee
or trade is required as a condition of receiving the product or service.

Vendors of genealogy computer hardware/software products who participate in
discussions are required to limit their posts to support, solicitation of
information, or announcement of their products as provided within this
charter.

Vendors are required to answer directly by e-mail, questions that are most
probably of limited interest to newsgroup participants beyond the person
submitting the original question. Refer to RFC 1855.

Support:
Answering technical questions of general interest to the readers of
the newsgroup.

Posting of known bugs/defects, their interim work-arounds and
projected releases in which the bugs/defects/suggestions will be
provided.

Vendors are encouraged to post FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) on
a monthly basis.

Solicitation of information:

When a vendor intends to develop a significant upgrade to his/her
product, it would be appropriate for the vendor to make a one-time
announcement of a proposed upgrade with a request of desired
features, enhancements, or changes. Posts should NOT include
current features, as this would amount to promotion of the product.
It is presumed that users of the program already know the features
of a product, and proposed features/enhancements would most
likely come from users of that product. However, others may wish
to input also, and vendors can easily disregard non-useful
suggestions. Newsgroup/mailing list members responding to a vendors'
request in this section are requested to send the response directly
to the vendor.

Not acceptable:

Comparison of various products' features, by and between vendors,
is generally considered sales and/or advertising, and thus is not
permitted.

Vendors are not permitted to attach their mailing list to this
newsgroup, or provide a gateway to/from this newsgroup and their
mailing or other resource, such as a chat area, either on a
web page or other service.

Example of a typical support question:

Hi,
I am new to <product> and am having a problem with creating
reports that lists all the individuals in a file. I have two
unrelated family groups that I am working on. When I go to print
a list of all the members of one group, for some reason everyone
that I have in both files is included. Help. What do I so that
this doesn't happen. {Please E-Mail the answer I seldom read this
newsgroup.}

Signed Confused

If the vendor believes this is a general interest question then the
vendor may reply on-line:

Example Vendor Response:

Dear Confused,
By default, a Custom Report includes everyone in the file. You
can control the individuals to include in a Custom Report <by some
method>.
This can be found on page ## of your user's manual, or on the
Some Genealogy Software Company website noted at the end of this
message. Just click XYZ, and then PQR #2.

--
Vendor representative
Some Genealogy Software Company
Find more help at: http://www.softwarecompany.com/morehelp.htm

Signatures, which are appended to posts should be within generally accepted
guidelines for Usenet and this newsgroup. A FAQ will be posted monthly with
these guidelines. Generally, a signature should briefly identify the
person, vendors name, if applicable, and provide a pointer to additional
resources, such as a web page. Advertising a product or service in the
signature area is not acceptable.

(see appropriate examples below):
--
Paul Jones
Some Genealogy Software/Hardware Company
See our web page at: http://www.somecompany.com/

--
Jane Smith
Researching: S M I T H, J O N E S, W E A V E R
http://www.janesmith.com/

--
Caroline Mack
Some Other Genealogy Software/Hardware Company

--
Jim Brown
URL: http://www.somepage.com/

Vendor representatives are allowed to use the group for their own personal
use, within the purpose of this newsgroup. To avoid confusion, such posts
may not have references to their employer in either the body of the message
or .sig file.

(see appropriate examples below):
--
Susie Smith
Disclaimer: Personal post not in connection with any company
affiliation or purpose.

--
Chip Williamson
Disclaimer: The opinions and/or statements presented here are my own
and do not represent the position of my employer.

END CHARTER.

GATEWAYS: soc.genealogy.computing

Gateway mailing list name: GENCMP-L
Submission address: <none - list already attached>

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soc.genealogy.computing charter change Final Vote Ack

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Voted Yes
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aet <at> usl.edu Alicia E Towster
APTurner <at> aol.com Ann Turner
beaur <at> CAM.ORG Denis Beauregard
boettch <at> csi.com Diane Boettcher
bostrock <at> bright.net Bob Strock
cem <at> hursley.ibm.com Caroline Maynard
CharlieH <at> wt.net Charlie Hoffpauir
chohenste <at> skyenet.net Charles R. Hohenstein
cliff <at> baughen.demon.co.uk Cliff Baughen
crs01 <at> mindspring.com Chris crs01 <at> mindspring.com
d.b.vonting <at> juno.com Dennis B. von Ting
dabonk <at> golden.net Darryl A. Bonk
duncan_lissett <at> ibm.net Duncan Lissett
ekkm <at> concentric.net Kim Mesaros
frances <at> mail.ez-sys.net Frances A. Huffman
friedman <at> cs.uiuc.edu H. George Friedman, Jr.
head_s <at> southmead.swest.nhs.uk Stephen Head
heatherf <at> istar.ca Heather Figueroa
hofmann <at> azstarnet.com Charles Hofmann
how <at> kodak.com Howard Fink
imaginethat <at> portgualala.com Janet Hubbard
jehl <at> cvm.msu.edu Joe Jehl
JERRY_DONOVAN <at> HP-Greeley-om2.om.hp.com Jerry Donovan
jparo19 <at> mediaone.net John Paro
jrnl <at> bytetype.co.uk John Lowe
jroyer <at> mail.intplsrv.net Jim Royer
kevin.roche <at> bbc.co.uk Kevin Roche
kilpd <at> sk.sympatico.ca Warren Dwight Kilpatrick
larry <at> taylsntufts.com Larry Taylor
lauren.snellgrove <at> msfc.nasa.gov Lauren Snellgrove
lkpardee <at> home.com Linda Pardee
marthur <at> telusplanet.net Mary Arthur
memery <at> utxvms.cc.utexas.edu Michael Emery
menno-renee <at> euronet.nl Menno Nykerk
mjolson <at> prairienet.org Margaret Olson
mtimm <at> pheasant.uwaterloo.ca Martin Timmerman
olp1 <at> ix.netcom.com Louise Par
PedigreeSoftware <at> compuserve.com Murray Kennedy
phankins <at> erols.com Patty Hankins
pimentel <at> ultranet.com John Pimentel
rbull <at> facstaff.wisc.edu Brian Bauer
rbweiss <at> ix.netcom.com Randell B. Weiss
richardpence <at> pipeline.com Richard Pence
robertkline <at> bc.sympatico.ca Robert Kline
roncox <at> CAM.ORG Ronald Cox
scheiman <at> niia.net Linda Scheimann
segerius <at> multiweb.nl Chris Segerius
stewartt <at> sunshinecable.com Stewart Turner
telston <at> nehp.net Ted Elston
thomas.johnston <at> worldnet.att.net THOMAS JOHNSTON
toatney <at> avana.net Tom & Mary Ann Oatney

Voted No
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106200.1510 <at> compuserve.com David W Webster
abware <at> home.com Amanda B. Ware
allent <at> realtime.net Allen Tyler
banrblue <at> best.com Paul Burchfield
bartlett <at> nbnet.nb.ca Fred Bartlett
bekelly <at> travel-net.com Brian Earl Kelly
bevshaq <at> aol.com Beverley Shackelford
billshau29 <at> aol.com Bill Shaughnessy
boldts <at> korax.net Hans Boldt
DARBYKAT <at> aol.com Kathy Pederson
Dmckeon <at> swcp.com Denis McKeon
ejkane <at> redrose.net Edward Kane
Elaineraym <at> aol.com Elaine Raymo
HG.SLP <at> Forsythe.Stanford.EDU Susan Plass
hodykes <at> recorder.ca Hedley Dykes
holman1316 <at> lascruces.com William F Holman
icefoxx <at> bigfoot.com Irene White Fox
jerrys <at> ns.net Jerry Smith
john <at> magpie60.freeserve.co.uk John Heckels
jpurser <at> snet.net Jeff Purser
justgeo1 <at> oz.net George Elting
kerry <at> dstc.edu.au Kerry Raymond
krlund <at> garlic.com Kermit Lund
Les.Ungerleider <at> PSS.Boeing.com Les Ungerleider
lgw <at> doitnow.com Greg Wheelwright
loliver <at> tyler.net Lawrence E. Oliver
makowj <at> rpi.edu Joe Makowiec
mickp <at> iinet.net.au Mike Price
Mike_Lipsie <at> sdsi.com Michael Lipsie
newsman <at> abac.com Don Kirkman
njysprez <at> worldnet.att.net Al Sinclair
nmt1 <at> ix.netcom.com Norris Taylor
nwplouff <at> rust.net Wes Plouff
pfreel <at> sympatico.ca Peter Freel
reidz <at> mindspring.com Kathi Reid
rheil <at> pacific.net Robert Heiling
ritcheym <at> itsnet.com MICHAEL T. RITCHEY
ruthedlund <at> email.msn.com Ruth Laura Edlund
RWagner245 <at> aol.com Ronald Wagner
s.r.reifschneider <at> att.net s.r.reifschneider
shatcher <at> kymtnnet.org Sam Hatcher
singhals <at> erols.com CHERYL SINGHAL
sophelyn <at> fnbnet.net Sophelyn
SZerbe <at> stai.com Zerbe, Steve
timebot <at> sprintmail.com Julie Zerbe
tmorris <at> brazosport.cc.tx.us Tom Morris
tomking <at> freewwweb.com Tom King
wpease <at> ptdprolog.net William A. Pease

Abstained
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billinghurst <at> tpg.com.au Andrew Billinghurst
rakow <at> ifh.de Paul Rakow

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