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From: "Allan S. Gleason" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] matching site
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:34:04 -0800
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You obviously like programming, Orin, and it all sounds like a good idea. However,
in my opinion you're being too inclusive and thorough. :>) I'd like to suggest a
simple table with alphabetized surnames vs markers in numerical order without
location or laboratory. If the marker is one of the self-serving 'cute' ones, a
simple asterisk and note that this is a 'non standardized' marker should suffice.
Keeps you out of business politics, too.

If you feel location is important, then perhaps a national tag at the end of each
surname. We Earthlings move around too much to make finer location designations
relevant. For example, I live in California and Arizona. I was born in Ohio,
lived at least a year each in Montana, Connecticut, Wisconsin, Kentucky,
Pennsylvania Vermont and Guam. But there is little question that I'm an American.
With split families and migrant job markets, things will only get worse - not
better. You might say that our 'brownian motion' is coming to a boil.

In order to avoid an impossibly large array of data, there would be no duplication
although mutations should be entered in close proximity so that under any one
surname which appears 'related', the range and locus of mutations can be shown.

I don't think it is appropriate nor necessary to turn it into a personalized dating
service. That could turn into an overwhelming can of worms for the operator with
names, addresses, permissions and all of that stuff. I agree that the data input
has to be humanly monitored not just for crackpots but also for simple errors which
are bound to occur.

I think it is a great idea but don't bite off more than you can chew, Orin, keep it
simple - or do you want to become a DNA version of Cindi's List?


"Orin R. Wells" wrote:

> At 11:30 AM 11/4/01 -0500, wrote:
> >A web site could get pretty elaborate if it included genealogical databases
> >with dates and locations, which would be desirable in the long run. But in
> >the short run, a simple "guestbook" method might be sufficient, allowing
> >people to make connections on their own and compare their genealogical charts.
> In the long run I think a guest book type of methodology would probably be
> ineffective. Actually, it would be best if the users could enter their DNA
> patterns directly on the website which would relieve the overseer of the
> website of the task of having to re-enter the data for display. A database
> into which the marker information would be entered and then easily searched
> for matches would be best. Currently the best we can do is run around to
> the different websites we know about or can find to see what we can find
> one site/sample at a time.
> I own and control a web server which has a database and am a software
> engineer with all the necessary Web development tools so I could easily set
> something like this up if there was enough interest in doing so. I may
> have to do this anyway for the Wells study where we will eventually
> possibly have hundreds of samples, all focused on Wells of course.
> What I envision is a web page that allows you to search for patterns and
> view the relevant information including a contact e-mail address to allow
> visitors to contact anyone of interest. This may be the individual or it
> may be a project coordinator. Another option would bring up a form into
> which you would enter the marker information from your report. I would
> include all known sampling DNA Loci being used by the various labs,
> possibly organized by lab, and you would enter in the ones you have data
> for. The surname, geographical location, an e-mail contact, sample code
> number from the laboratory, and the sampling laboratory would be required.
> The e-mail contact would be used to confirm that the person had indeed
> entered the information to prevent some nut case from shoving a bunch of
> junk into the database. In the event one does not have an e-mail address,
> a second form could come up and require them to enter contact infomation
> that would not be available on the website. This might be important anyway
> as people tend to change e-mail addresses so often it is difficult to keep
> a database of valid e-mail addresses.
> If anyone thinks it would be of general interest to do this, please let me
> know. If there is enough interest, I will go ahead and do it. I would be
> interested in suggestions on other items to add to the site. I should
> think links to existing sites that provide content would be preferrable
> over duplicating existing work. I am also willing to work with anyone else
> who would like to collaborate on such a project, especially someone who can
> do graphics <g>.
> Let me hear from you.
> Orin R. Wells
> Wells Family Research Association
> P. O. Box 5427
> Kent, Washington 98064-5427
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