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From: "Tia Gray" <>
Subject: Re: Careful Re: [DNA] BYU Pedigree Chart
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:59:20 -0700
References: <20020301210606.3030.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com>


As a Mormon I find this list to be offensive. I do not think that you have
the right to joke about someone's religion. I thought that this site was
about DNA. I guess I was wrong. Someone should make it clear what this
site is about so people who are looking for information on a subject will
not be lead down the wrong path. Since this is a site that is not very
constructive I will unsubcribe.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brett Miller <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Careful Re: [DNA] BYU Pedigree Chart


> This thread should end now, but since you asked, here
> are some possible reasons for spectacular growth, you
> pick:
> 1. Those 19 year old kids in white shirts are well
> trained salesman and are fooling everyone.
> 2. The LDS Church uses the same auditing firm as Enron
> and are making it all up.
> 3. The LDS Church has an advance cloning lab and are
> manufacturing those 19 year old missionaries in the
> basement of the Genealogical Library
> 4. Or, just maybe, the doctine and beliefs of the LDS
> Church are attracting a lot of new members.
>
> Seriously though, Mormons do tend to have large
> families which contributes quite a bit to their
> growth.
>
> Lets get back on topic...
>
> --- Paul Hendrickseen <>
> wrote:
> > Brett,
> > I just brought in some facts.
> > And I never said that the membership numbers
> > included non-living people.
> > Now, how can the Mormon Church achieve this
> > spectacular growth? Are they so
> > popular?
> > As I said, just food for thought.
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Brett Miller <>
> > >Reply-To:
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: Careful Re: [DNA] BYU Pedigree Chart
> > >Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:36:55 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >Two separate issues:
> > >
> > >1. The Jewish posthumous baptim requests were
> > >submitted by independant genealogists years ago.
> > The
> > >LDS Church had no filter in place to reject these
> > >individual submissions. The LDS church came to an
> > >agreement with Jewish organizations to check the
> > >submissions so this does not happen.
> > >
> > >2. LDS Church membership numbers are for living
> > >people, not cumulative baptisms, so the above issue
> > >has no bearing on membership growth.
> > >
> > >--- Paul Hendrickseen <>
> > >wrote:
> > > > I was browsing the e-mails when I came across
> > this
> > > > one aboyut the Hahn
> > > > Family, which had some of their origins in
> > Galicia,
> > > > a place where many Jews
> > > > lived.
> > > >
> > > > Careful when asking BYU for info or joining
> > their
> > > > study group.
> > > >
> > > > Sometime ago, in their wild race to increase the
> > > > numbers of Mormons in the
> > > > world, they even converted Jews who perished
> > during
> > > > the Holocaust...
> > > >
> > > > In 1995, the Mormon Church was pressured by
> > various
> > > > Jewish groups to stop
> > > > its posthumous baptisms of Holocaust victims.
> > > > <http://www.trinity.edu/~mkearl/never.html>;
> > > >
> > > > Look at this chart of their own:
> > > > Mormon Membership Projections*
> > > > (in millions)
> > > >
> > > > Year High Estimate Low Estimate Actual
> > > > Membership
> > > >
> > > > 1985 5,680 5,288 5,911
> > > > 1990 6,957 6,029 7,761
> > > > 1994 8,182 6,697 9,025
> > > > 2000 10,436 7,838
> > > > 2020 23,480 13,246
> > > > 2040 52,830 22,387
> > > > 2060 118,867 37,833
> > > > 2080 267,452 63,939
> > > >
> > > > This is quite an impressive growth. How can they
> > > > achieve this goal?
> > > > Could this study at BYU, Sorensen buying into
> > > > Ancestry,Relative Genetics
> > > > buying Genetree and all of the above being under
> > the
> > > > Mormon umbrella be part
> > > > of their game plan?
> > > >
> > > > Just food for thought.....
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Orin R. Wells" <>
> > > > >Reply-To:
> > > > >To:
> > > > >Subject: Re: [DNA] BYU Pedigree Chart
> > > > >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:21:04 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >At 09:54 PM 2/26/02 -0500, The Hahn Family
> > wrote:
> > > > > >I'm afraid I said it wrong. It is my
> > husband's
> > > > great-grandparents -- his
> > > > >father's mother's parents named Schmidt -- who
> > are
> > > > unknown at the moment.
> > > > >We can contact cousins in Germany but it will
> > take
> > > > time. We are also
> > > > >missing exact birthdates for four
> > > > great-grandparents who lived in Galicia
> > > > >(Poland) but we have maiden names of females.<<
> > > > >
> > > > >You can probably get away with reasonable
> > estimated
> > > > birth dates. The
> > > > >important parts are knowing the surnames and
> > > > locations.
> > > > >
> > > > >Please send me an private e-mail with exactly
> > what
> > > > you are missing and I
> > > > >will pass it by the BYU folks to see if you
> > husband
> > > > can participate.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Orin R. Wells
> > > > >Wells Family Research Association
> > > > >P. O. Box 5427
> > > > >Kent, Washington 98064-5427
> > > > ><>
> > > > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfrahome.html
> > > > >Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb
> > > > >
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