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From: "Allan S. Gleason" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Fwd: Y-Line [Viking Project]
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:44:27 -0700
References: <003f01c1da8d$2fb24260$b300a8c0@NancyXP>


Sorry, there ain't no direct line Royal Stuarts - they're all buried in that cow
pasture - some with and some without their heads. My gg-grandmother, b. 11 April
1796, Castletown, Caithness, Scotland, was a "Royal Stuart" according to my
g-grandmother who married and later divorced her alcoholic son. Oh, and I'm a 13
from the middle of England it seems.

Allan


Nancy Custer wrote:

> And, perplexing for us, my husband's DYS 392 value is 13! As I have
> said in previous posts, his family surname, Cursiter (his branch changed
> to Custer when they arrived in the US) is an Orkney name derived from
> the old Norse language meaning "cow pasture".
>
> An unofficial (and generally dismissed by my husband as improvable)
> legend says that sons of Robert Stuart, Earl of Orkney (and illegitimate
> son of James IV of Scotland) had illegitimate children with daughters of
> a Cursiter. Maybe we should reexamine that idea:) Think we can find
> some direct line Stuart Royals to join our study? Or perhaps it's back
> to the Spanish Armada idea.
>
> Nancy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John F. Chandler [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:46 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Fwd: Y-Line [Viking Project]
>
> Oxford Ancestors apparently wrote:
> >1) To indicate if a person is likely to be of Norse origin we look for
> >an 11 for marker DYS 392 which you possess.
> >
> >If a person is not 11 at this position then it is highly unlikely that
> >they are of Viking origin...
>
> I must say I'm not impressed. Yes, the value 11 is typical of both hg2
> and hg3, which together make up 2/3 of the male population of Norway,
> but it's only typical and not fundamental. What's more, 1/4 of the
> males in Norway are hg1, which typically has a value of 13. Bottom
> line: out of 300 Norwegian samples in the YSTR database, only 190 have
> a value of 11 (that's 63%). If you exclude the northern Norway samples
> (up in Lappland), the fraction rises to 64%. So, in the methodology
> of OA, it is "highly unlikely" that the other 36% of Norwegians could be
> descended from Vikings! To top it off, it turns out that 39% of the
> samples from Frisia (the place on the Continent where the Anglo-Saxons
> are thought to have originated) have the value 11, and the mix of
> haplogroups in Frisia as shown by Wilson et al. proves that most of
> these 11's are NOT of Norwegian origin.
>
> John Chandler
>
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