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From: "James L Rader" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Term Black Dutch
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:05:30 -0700
In-Reply-To: <009001c26b0e$7b3a55d0$358e4b0c@Martin>

The black Dutch I know of
Are Germans from the Black forest
1700's prior to the formation of Holland or Germany
All those who spoke the Deutsch language (which means the language of
the people)
And came from the region known as the Black forest

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-----Original Message-----
From: Kay Martin [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Term Black Dutch

Crystal, I've been studying the Black Dutch term for 22 years. When I
married my husband in 1980 his mother told me that she is Black Dutch. I
replied "Great, what is that?" and she answered that she didn't know -
she had hoped that I would. So the search was on.

There are so very many meanings - the Melungeons used the term, several
Native American tribes used it (possibly all of them), the Roma
(Gypsies) used it, apparently some Jewish people used it. Possibly some
former slaves crossing the color line used it. Other groups include, I
am told, Huguenots and Walloons, Spanish who intermarried with the Dutch
in Holland and later came to the US... the list seems endless. My
conclusion was that it means whatever the family using it meant by it. I
think that in our family it probably means Native American, probably
Choctaw or Cherokee.

For many families it was obviously a cover up term because they were not
"European white", and it seemed to be something protective that they
taught their children - telling the kids that, if ask, to tell people
they were "Black Dutch". It may well have become a habit over
generations, however, and used long after there was any outward
indication of other races/tribes.

Sorry if I'm off topic, Ann! I suspect that many of us are looking to
DNA to solve what our families meant by Black Dutch.

----- Original Message -----
From: Crystal
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:33 AM
Subject: [DNA] Term Black Dutch

>I have much the same problem with our "Black Dutch"
> tradition.

Just curious about this term.. I thought it meant a
German Jew - a term brought on by the war when Jews
hid their ancestry.. it's just recently that I've
heard this term. So I'm guessing it has more than one
meaning? .. Just curious since we were told my gma had
some black dutch.. but so far from what I've been able
to find 1. her parents were here back in the 1800's,
2. they look to have been from Finland and England and
poss. Ireland.

So basically for what are the different things the
term "black dutch" is used.

Just curious.

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