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From: "Ernest Hurst" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] AncestrybyDNA results
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:32:07 -0500
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Thanks for the response. I have done a lot of reading the last few years on
the so called Melungeons and all of the controversy about who they really
were and where they came from. There might be some connection because my
ancestors in question were from, or lived in, Southwest Virginia and East
Tennessee in the same general area as the "Historical Melungeons". I know
there was a "Melungeon DNA Study" conducted but they are being real
secretive about the results, and even the prerequisites to participate in
the study. I'll check out Kevin's site & see if he has anything new on this.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Baileyconnection" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: [DNA] AncestrybyDNA results

> Ernie...
> Many folks like our family have photos of great grandmothers that appeared
> to be dark
> olive skinned yet are not of direct African American or American Indian
> descent.....
> My daughter's 2nd great grandmother was such a person and we were told she
> also was
> Cherokee....She too would have been classified as a mulatoo on the
> 1850 census.....
> Don't know if this fits your case..Let me present another possible and
> plausible the American Indian and European genes in
> family... I have read about this information but am not an expert in this
> surname
> study listed below.....
> Many of the mulatooes on the early census were indeed of African American
> or American Indian.... But another large group originated from sailors
> and other seafaring men from Spain, Portugal, Greece folks from the
> Mediterranean
> area that had Moorish ancestors. These people were excellent sailors and
> navigators and they were used widely on voyages to the Americas.....
> When they arrived in Florida in the 1600's, many jumped ship and moved
> inland to
> settle with the native populations of this country... They later
> interemarried with many
> of the peoples and almost 200 years later with the Scot-Irish and German
> immigrants
> that began to cross the mountains after the Revolutionary War....Their
> offspring still today
> have dark-curly or wavy hair, sometimes blue, eyes, and a dark olive
> complexion..
> If you did Y chromosome analysis, you indeed would still have a European
> result
> even though the mothers in this lineage were Cherokee Indian.
> These folk came to be known as melungeon..... Kevin Duerinck has listed
> this surname project listed at....
> From Kevin's page.....these families have come to be identified with
> ***Melungeon (Study, University of Virginia-Wise)
> surnames tested, among others: Bell, Bennett, Bowling/Bolling, Collins,
> Gibson, Goins, Hall, Mullins, Moore, Osborne, Sexton
> ***Melungeon II mailto: Beth Caldwell Hirschman
> surnames tested, among others: Cooper, Looney (Luna), Blevins, Sizemore
> (Cismor),
> Davis, Dougherty, Burkes/Burges, Bunch/Benge, Proctor, Ross, Sevier,
> Adair, Martin, Nichols, Ferris/Pharess, Green, Gibson, Lovelace/Wallace,
> McKee, Yates, Lowrey, Francis, Piles, Denney, Houston/Austin, Troxell and
> Montour
> Don't know if this is applicable in your DNA analysis, but in our great
> grandmother's case this is certainly plausible..
> Bill Bailey, San Antonio, Texas, 78258
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ernest Hurst [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:00 AM
> To:
> Subject: [DNA] AncestrybyDNA results
> Yesterday I received the results of this test. I had gambled on the hope
> that the test would show some trace of an allegedly full blooded Cherokee
> 3rd great grandmother and a 4th great grandfather that was listed as
> "mulatto" on 1785 & 90 tax rolls. I gambled and lost - the test came back
> 100% European.
> I just wanted to let everyone know that this test probably can not
> "detect" anything much past a single 2nd great grandparent of a different
> group, due to the 5% "margin of error". If you do not have a good "paper
> trail" history of numerous ancestors before that level, of a different
> group, you should probably save your money, at this time. Possibly the
> accuracy will improve as the technology matures.
> Ernie Hurst
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