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From: "Steven C. Perkins" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] STRUNK Y DNA result
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:19:07 -0500
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John:

This Strunk family has been assumed to be a Christian family, and
expected to be from one of the known Strunk immigrant families to PA or
NY in the early to mid 1700s. Those are listed in church registers in
Germany.

There was a Strunk family that immigrated to Russia at the same time
several immigrated to PA. I've never been able to find any descendats of
that family in the Germans from Russia communities in North or South
America or in the Russian Census records. There were Catholic,
Protestant, and Jewish settlements in the Russian immigration.

There was a Jewish Rabbinical Strunk family from the area of Berlin just
prior to World War II. I have not checked to see if there are survivors
of that family from the Holocaust.

My maternal Grandmother said this family was from Russia. She was
speaking of my Maternal GGrandmother, Frances Jane Strunk Ball, her
Mother-in-Law. Their earliest documented appearance in America is in the
1770s in VA, although one of the daughters is listed as born in 1776 in
Maryland in the 1850 Census. I'm unaware of any oral tradition of Jewish
origin in my line of this family. AFAIK, they did not inter-marry with
the one known Jewish family, the Troxel famliy, in the area of Kentucky
they settled in.

Regards,

Steven C. Perkins


On 3 Feb 2003 at 20:44, John F. Chandler wrote:

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Steven wrote:
> Using a haplotype arrangement as 388, 393, 392, 19/394, 390, 391, his
> set is 12, 13, 11, 17, 25, 10. This is two steps off the Norwegian
> haplotype set in Wilson, J. F., Weiss, D. A., Richards, M., Thomas, M.
> G., Bradman, N., Goldstein, D. B. "Genetic evidence for different male
> and female roles during cultural transitions in the British Isles".
> Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U. S. A., vol 98 (9) p5078 (2001)".

Correction: there is no "Norwegian" haplotype, and the paper by Wilson et
al. does not say there is. It does mention haplotype 3.65 which is two
steps away from the above, and it does say that 3.65 is rare in the
Celtic
parts of the British Isles and in the source region of the Anglo-Saxons,
but relatively common in Norway, and it further says that 3.65 in the
British Isles is therefore an indicator of probable Viking origin. The
name Strunk, though, sounds sort of German, so this is a whole different
ballgame. Haplogroup 3 also happens to be relatively common in Germany.

Conclusion: the haplotype is not inconsistant with the hypothesis that
the
Strunks came from Germany.

> total of 35 matches with 16 Ashkenazim and 4 of those identified as
> Levites.

Are you saying that the Strunks are known to have Ashkenazic origins? Or
that you suspect that may be so from the database matches? Since the
Ashkenazim have roots in Germany, the conclusion applies to them as well,
or at least some of them.

John Chandler


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