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From: "Pieter J. Cramwinckel" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Is geographic or haplogroup information useful for genealogy?
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:54:17 +0100


Ann wrote :

>But I think you would have been able to discern
>clusters in your results even if you didn't have the intellectual framework
>of the haplogroup concept. The network diagram you created with the Fluxus
>software uses just the STR data.

True, but the earlier phylogenetic chart I made with then fewer participants did not show this clearly. So I started to compare haplotypes. It is comforting to see both methods agree.


>That's interesting about the two such similar surnames. Do you know the
>origin of the name?

Yes. It stands for crow-corner and was in use already in 13 th C in both Germany and Belgium, in a band stretching from Westcoast Belgium to East Germany. No early reference in the (Northern) Netherlands though. It is derived from the old German word Kraejonwinkila, used as a toponimic name. So farms and an occasional village are named that way., which then turned into family surnames . Today, of the persons who carry a variation of this name, not more than 600 persons in Germany are listed in the telephoon book , less than 100 in the Netherlands and below 30 in Belgium, and even then not all of them are are related.

>I'm not familiar with the geography. If you look at the map you get after you
>do a search at http://ystr.org, do you feel satisfied that the Lower Rhine
>region has a good representation in the database compared to the Westfalen
>Lippe area?

I looked at this database and extracted some maps to compare each surname variant. The database is biased by the irregular geographic contribution and its relative small size of samples extracted in some areas, but confirm the findings for some participants .

Pieter J. Cramwinckel
WebRing Master DNA Surname Projects :
http://j.webring.com/hub?ring=dnasurnameprojec
Cramwinckel genealogy http://www.cramwinckel.info
Kraejonwinkela project:C/Kr..winkel research)
http://www.kraejonwinkila.com


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