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Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: mt DNA Results for a 103 Year Old Woman
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 15:52:05 -0500
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David,
Collins is a primary Melungeon name in Hancock and Claiborne Counties. You
might also want to visit a website www.melungeonhealth.org that will give
you some physical characteristics to see if she has. They are not
exclusive, but indicators. For example, one of my children has the
anatolian bump, one does not - but all 3 of us (me and 2 of them) have the
Asian shovel teeth and 2 (both kids) have the Asian eye folds, but I do not.
Interesting, huh.
Also, if you are interested in hardcopy reading, there are several books in
print. If you or anyone is interested in these, I can dig them out and
post. One in particular, called something like the Melungeons Yesterday and
Today, written by a lady by the last name of Bible and printed by Mountain
Press at www.mountainpress.com is particularly excellent and includes
original research and discussed all fo the theorys about origins.
Rpberta Estes
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Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: mt DNA Results for a 103 Year Old Woman
Hello Beth: Thank you very much for your reply below.
I am quite familiar with the Melungeon groups and the other so - called
"tri - racial isolates" from the Atlantic Seaboard and Appalachian
Mountains. How fascinating. I will spend the day looking up information on
the web concerning this most intersting group. It is also interesting to
learn that my mother in law's mtDNA profile may help to support your
proposal for the origins of the Melungeons.
Most of my mother in law's ancestors disappear into the hills, from Virginia
through the Carolinas to northern Alabama to the Ozarks. It has been a
source of frustration that I have been unable to locate European homes for
any of them - now I think I understand why.
I know that the surname Wright (Rebecca Wright born about 1812 in Tennessee
being my mother in law's great grandmother and being the one who indirectly
provided the mtDNA) is found among the Cherokees who resided in Tennessee.
Other surnames in my mother in law's ancestry such as Collins (from Georgia)
and McDaniel (from Virginia) fall into the same category. As to forenames,
Jemima (her paternal grandmother) and Sabra (her paternal great grandmother)
are not very typical and may be suggestive of other elements within her
mysterious Southern ancestral mix.
I suspected mixed ancestry, so I have requested PrintDNA testing from
AncestrybyDNA (via FTDNA) and it will be very interesting to learn whether
there is evidence of non - IndoEuropean genes.
Thank you for your input Beth. David.
wrote:Yes, David, your Mother-in-law's maternal DNA is
very likely Melungeon -- an
Appalachian ethnic group which has been present since the 1500's in the
Southeastern United States. We have several ancestral lines who are proving
to have Semitic, Central Asian, Mediterrannean and Indo-Pakistani DNA --
both
paternal and maternal. Some Melungeon researchers (myself included) believe
that this is because we were originally a colony of Sephardic Jews and
Muslim
Moors who initially arrived in the New World as Conversos. We have a growing
data base at Family Tree DNA, if you would like to add examine your mother's
scores in comparison to it. Welcome to the 'tribe' ; somehow from reading
your posts, I knew it was going to turn out this way. Beth Caldwell
Hirschman
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