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From: "John Swallow" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] MALLINDER/SWALLOW fam histy
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:16:09 -0000
Bob, thank you for your very full and informative answer. It will take time
to digest and decide how I am going to approach this subject. It is also
clear that my thinking is way behind the rest of the world - I was indeed
setting out to reinvent the wheel.
Reading a variety of replies has also helped to focus my thinking. As with
all projects the feasibility study can look very different to the
implemented research, data capture and analysis. I know this to my cost as
I am busy restructering my Spreadsheet core data resource into what, today,
I believe is a bees knees structure . Wonder what I will think in two
John Swallow, Bristol, England
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] MALLINDER/SWALLOW fam histy
> << John Swallow wrote: "I am becoming interested in the idea of using DNA
> profiles in the context of family history and would also be pleased to
> from anyone who is knowledgeable on this matter. My first thoughts are
> the required database should be run by and then used by a University.
> to avoid misuse.">>
> The databases have largely a specialized use in family-tree analysis, such
> a false paternity. For the most part, all you need to start is a well
> documented family tree, some test subjects and some cash. I suspect that
> have the first and can get the rest.
> I suggest starting with only a few trees before undertaking a complete
> surname project. Run tests on subjects from known (early) branches to
> reference haplotypes. Once this is done, you can then try to match orphans
> the various trees.
> DNA is a very useful tool to genealogists. However, it must be viewed as
> adjunct to the paper trail. It can add to the weight of the evidence when
> get matches and can eliminate possibilities when you get a mismatch.
> As someone who has done a family-tree DNA project and who has compared our
> experience to those on other sites and this list, I would say the first
> to consider is your level of experience in conducting scientific, or
> projects. It appears that those who have some background can design their
> projects in a way that they will result in meaningful conclusions with any
> lab. Others may need help in interpreting the results and integrating it
> their paper genealogies.
> If you need such help and a good written analysis that will get you up and
> running quickly, Relative Genetics is far and away the best choice. They
> go to the point of constructing a possible family tree based on the DNA
> paper genealogies. It is not necessarily definitive as they note, but it
> illustrates the methodology and is a great learning tool.
> Their report and the personal help has been a boon to members of our
> who largely have non-technical backgrounds and seem to avoid this list,
> though I keep recommending it. Our project coordinator, who spent the most
> time discussing matters with Diahan Southard, has only the highest praise
> If, on the other hand, you feel that you can go it alone, you can go with
> service that just provides the basic numbers and some database searches..
> They can be cheaper. They give you the haplotypes, haplogroup matches and
> some haplogroup information. Hopefully, listers will elaborate on any
> product they offer. However, they don't seem to offer you any conclusions
> about your family tree. The companies with this type of product are
> Ancestry.com, FamilyTreeDNA, and possibly Oxford Ancestors. I haven't seen
> any post that detailed OA's Y-product, so maybe someone else can help you
> Ancestry appears to be defunct. Listers have noted a lot of customer
> problems and failure to provide promised services. There seems to be
> chance of using them in the future, anyway.
> FTDNA gets very high praise on customer service. If you know the questions
> ask, you could learn enough to compensate for their basic product. I
> personally don't put a lot of weight on haplogroups and haplotype
> However, FTDNA does have some good databases according to listers.
> I might steer away from Oxford Ancestors because they seem to be heavily
> oriented toward "Seven Daughters" mtDNA testing. I would wonder if I could
> get help on a tree, even if I asked. However, there are too few posts
> their service to really draw firm conclusions.
> Bob Stafford
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