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From: "Steve Williamson" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Asian content in Europeans -- Uralic or Hun or Mongol sources
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 22:32:35 -0500
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Charles,
Hmmmm...I looked at the site. It doesn't refute the findings (the data),
just Sforza's interpretation. There is still a gradient between Iberia &
Lappland. The book interpretation is that it was from Lappland down, but the
site reverses that, saying Iberia up. But the "Asiatic island" still remains
in the Penn Dutch, & the high Mongoloid still remains among Scandinavians
(mentioned also on An by DNA's web FAQ). The East Asian results coming from
DNA Print seem to support Sforza.

1) Sforza's book is "the Bible" on this subject, so I would tend to not
discount it based on one web page, with no author's name given (as far as I
could tell). The sources used to debunk Sforza are mostly by Sforza
himself.

2) That web site has a political agenda, so that reduces the objectivity
factor, in my eyes. It is also a bit amateurish, saying things like "The
above quotation sees Cavalli-Sforza at his most smug." & talking about a
Quentin Tarantino film.

3) see also http://www.geocities.com/refuting_rm/admixture.html - note "The
presence of Tat C in Scandinavia and Germany reflects northeastern European
influence, and in no way indicates Mongoloid admixture." - that's
interesting.

I would treat that web site with caution, & go with Sforza until you see it
refuted in a mainstream, written source - just my opinion.

Steve W.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles" <>
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Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Asian content in Europeans -- Uralic or Hun or Mongol
sources


> Steve,
>
> I ordered a copy of Cavalli-Sforza book from the used book section at
> Amazon.com. But in doing some "Google.com" searching for more on Uralic
> migrations, I came upon this website which seems to be challenging the
> work of Cavalli-Sforza's interpretations. So as usual, it seems nothing
> is certain with this human migration research.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/refuting_rm/pcs.html
>
> But I will learn more about his research and interpretations when I get
> his book, in a week or two, and read it.
>
> You go back far enough and we all came out of Africa.
>
> Charles
>
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