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From: Patrick Guinness <>
Subject: [DNA] Possible AMH Jewish Migrations to England and Scotland
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:14:19 +0000


At 9:35 pm -0400 6/6/03, wrote:
>Hi David and DNA listers,
> David, we'll send you a disc copy of the Scotland book at the end of the
>summer when it is revised, proofread, etc. I still have to make one more trip
>to Scotland (this August) to take photographs at St. Andrews, Roslyn and some
>other spots.
> I also forgot to mention two things in my earlier posts on this:
>1. 'Dow 'is another surname from Clan Davidson derived from the Hebrew/Arabic
>Daoud. (I don't mean to be picking on Clan Davidson, but they are a good
>example).

I can't see how, when nor why AMH / Atlantic seaboard
Europeans could have converted to Judaism and then relocated to
Scotland by 1000AD; not in any number or in 'migrations'.

David was an important and popular name to the early AMH
Christians as Jesus was descended from King David, that's all. Not
least in Wales which was even Christianised by a St. David (?300AD).

Given quite an amount of (Christian) Davids in Wales and
Scotland when surnames started (c.1000-1500AD), it's not surprising
that you find the surnames Davies in Wales and MacDaithi (David's
son) in Scotland. Many of whom would have A.M.H.-linked Y-DNA.

If David=Daoud, the Celts pronouced it something like: Daffy
(Wales) and Doh-hee (Scotland / Ireland) - quite different.

Daoud='Dowd' or 'Dow' (anglicising sometimes to David after
1500) derives from 'dubh' a Celtic word for dark hair. O'Dowd,
McDougal etc. etc. share this derivation. It's quite common.

An AMH Scotsman surnamed Davidson was so for any of the above
glaringly obvious reasons, not because he or his ancestors practised
Judaism.

Roslyn Chapel has a great history, but let's not over-egg the
cake. It has an amount of Judeo-Christian symbolism and numerology,
as do most of the smarter European churches of that period.

At 9:35 pm -0400 6/6/03, wrote:
>many of the crypto-Jewish persons living in Scotland
>became Quakers and Presbyterians during the Protestant Reformation.
>Others became
>Unitarians and Congregationalists (in England). These religions, especially
>Quakerism and Unitarianism, were largely compatible with Judaism in that they
>were monotheistic and placed little/no emphasis on Jesus' divinity.

No; they all adored the old testament, but 'salvation through
Jesus' was central. Nearly all Scots have been Presbyterian since
1560-1640.

The trouble with crypto-anything of centuries ago is that it
is very hard to prove - but not hard to cherry-pick some convenient
concepts, speculate and write about.

PG

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