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From: "Padre Oquendo" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] mixed Creek
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:32:29 -0400
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mmmmmmmm, uh hum..., er..., well..., sorry..
Mestizo, pardo, mulato, moreno, mala raza mulata, indio mestizo, de
calidad indio, negro, esclavo, esclavo liberto, were ALL deragatory
in both civil and ecclesiastical books of the Spanish empire. And
they meant that the offspring were NOT as good as the "pure"
Hispanic breed/"European stock" which I now doubt to be that
"pure". Of course, no one told the Iberians they had Vandal, North
European (and so thus some Asiatic) etc. blood nor that Canary
Islanders that came over were mostly L1c (gasp - THEY still won't
hear of it!) and they CERTAINLY were not going to own up to
Sephardi and Moor (Berber, African and Turkish) great great great
grandma's!
We have a phrase/question in Spanish in Puerto Rico taken from a
poem about a white acting African denying man who is hiding his
ascendency acting like he is worth more than the other mulattos
around him: "y tu abuela, 'onde ta?" "And your grandmother, where
is she?" Sense is of asking the man where his grandmother is to
prove he is white... (cough her up, dude!)... fat chance they are
going to let granny out of the kitchen and into the living room
(which is exactly where the poem sets her hiding: in the kitchen!)
"It appears to me a beautiful thing not to allow those who deserve
to be eternally remembered suffer oblivion" (Pliny the Younger)
"Me parece cosa bella no dejar sufrir el olvido a los que
merecen ser eternamente recordados" (Plinio el Joven)
English site:
<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7215/index.html>;
Spanish site:
<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7214/index.htm>;
<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7214/pedigree.htm>;
<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7214/arboles.htm>;
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Williamson <>
To:
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:06:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [DNA] mixed Creek
> Grant,
> You seem to have gotten upset at the term 'mestizo.' There was
> nothing insulting meant by that term in my post, if that's how
> you took it. It is a term used for people in Latin America of
> mixed race. I personally am fairly certain I must have some
> small % of NA and probably African ancestry as well, but I
> cannot directly prove it by any record. That is why I am
> befuddled by the 19% NA ancestry result I received, and thinking
> that it is inaccurate in my case.
>
> What I wrote about the British Colonies is generally accepted by
> mainstream historians, based on tons of evidence. I even gave a
> number of references that could be checked, if anyone thinks I'm
> making it up.
>
> I'm not sure what your post proves, exactly. The question is not
> whether there were any mixed-race people in colonial America
> (there were, and of many diverse sorts), but what % of the total
> population they were in places where my ancestors came from,
> like Piedmont Virginia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, etc. All
> evidence is that the % was low compared to the % of people of
> purely European stock.
>
> Steve W.
>
> wrote:
> How about this 'mestizo'?'
>
> Message Board URL:
>
> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HU.2ADI/1219
>
> Message Board Post:
>
> 23 Congress, 1st Session.
> On Confirming a Sale Made Of An Indian Reservation In Alabama.
>
> Communicated To The House Of Representatives February 28, 1832.
>
> Mr. Mardis, from the Committee on Private Land Claims, to whom
> referred the
> petition of James Caulfield, reported:
>
> That on the 20th of April, 1818, an act of Congress of the
> United States was
> approved by the President, granting to Peggy Bailey, sister of
> Dixon Bailey, a
> Creek Indian of
> the halfblood, who was slain in the service of the United States
> at the
> capture of Fort Mims, the right to enter with the register of
> the land office,
> without payment, three hundred and twenty acres of land, so as
> to include the
> settlement and improvement of the said Dixon Bailey in the
> Alabama territory. That
> Peggy Bailey continued in the actual or constructive possession
> of said tract
> of land until the 23d of September, 1828, when the said Peggy
> Bailey, having
> determined to migrate to the country west of the Mississippi,
> did, in
> conjunction with one Richard Robison, who married the said
> Peggy Bailey, the only
> other person interested in said tract of land, through their
> attorney in fact,
> Benjamin Hawkins, duly authorized, for and in consideration of
> the sum of one
> thousand dollars, sell and convey to the petitioner the said
> three hundred acres
> of land. By the laws regulating Indian reservations the
> petitioner was
> informed at the proper land office that said land was forfeited
> to the United States
> so soon as the said Peggy Bailey abandoned the possession, of
> which law the
> petitioner swears he was ignorant at the time of the purchase,
> and the
> committee believe such to be the fact from the adequate
> consideration given by the
> petitioner for said land. At the ensuing session of Congress a
> law was passed
> authorizing friendly Indians holding reservation to sell the
> same in simple fee
> upon condition of their removal west of the Mississippi. Peggy
> Bailey having
> removed west of the Mississippi, and the petitioner having paid
> her, in the
> estimation of the committee, an adequate price for said land, it
> is believed by
> said committee that the petitioner comes under the equity of the
> law now in
> force as regards all other Indian reservations, and have
> therefore reported a
> bill authorizing the petitioner to enter said land at
> government price.
>
> [Source: American State Papers; 23 Congress, 1st Session]
>
> Grant Johnston
>
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