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From: "Mark MacDonald" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] Re: Viking and Anglo-Saxon Haplogroups
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:41:31 -0500
In-Reply-To: <20031006222405.58725.qmail@web41206.mail.yahoo.com>


David F
The Clan Donald Genetic Project has successfully determined the markers
for the line of our chiefs who paternally descend from Somerled
(1100-1164), Lord of the Isles. Somerled was R1a1 (old Haplogroup
3.65+). Sykes of Oxford has separately confirmed the common descent of
many MacDougals, MacDonalds, and MacAlisters from Somerled. We are now
searching to share genetic information with Icelanders, Shetlanders,
Norwegians, Orkneys,Manx and Norwegians who have strong traditions of
paternal descent from specific individuals in the 9th to 11th centuries
such as Ivar the Boneless, the Orkney Jarls, Olaf the White of
Dublin,Magnus Barelegs etc. Do you have any Shetland participants with
such family traditions ?
Mark MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: David Faux [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:24 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Viking and Anglo-Saxon Haplogroups

Believe me, I know of what I speak. My Shetland Islands DNA Projects
has required that I keep up with the literature from all sources. And
since I do not recall a time when John C. and I have agreed on anything
- my only comment here is a favorite here in California - "whatever".

David F.

wrote:
David wrote:

> True to an extent John, but all of the Scottish settlers came
> bearing Scottish names such as Sinclair, Brown, or Leask.

Huh? Since when is there a master list of all the settlers? This
sounds very much like circular reasoning based on assumed origins.

> last name ends with "son", you have a R1a1 haplogroup, and your
> ancestors came from Orkney or Shetland then the certainty reaches
> the highest levels that your ancestor was a settler / invader from
> the western coast of Norway.

Not so fast. You've come partway from your previous position, but
I still think you need more proof of residence on the islands before
the waves of settlers from Scotland. A surname ending in "son" is
a good start, but they have those in Scotland, too. When you talk
about the "highest levels of certainty," you need to offer the
highest levels of proof. It would be much simpler to settle for
"pretty sure" instead.

John Chandler




Dr. David K. Faux, P.O. Box 192, Seal Beach, CA, 90740, USA



www.davidkfaux.org



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