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From: David Faux <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Irish results / 2004
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:39:27 -0800 (PST)
How will you be "handling" surnames? Will you report specific surnames as I do in my Shetland Project, or categories of surnames such as Dalriadic, or Norman, or a term like Wilson used in his PNAS paper focusing on Orkney - "aboriginal" (he has since defined this term). Will you, as in the Cinnioglu paper, have a very large data table at the end with the haplotypes and haplogroups (e.g., dividing R1b into subcategories)?
No matter what its final form, this is going to be a significant addition to the literature. Many of us have been waiting eagerly since the Capelli et al. paper was published for another major study of the British Isles. Now if we can just get someone to explore the haplotypes of the French from Normandy and Britany - any volunteers? I speak French and could head up a research team but alas, funding.
Some academics in the field have expressed their surprise that I have been able to assemble a respectable sample size of Shetland haplotypes when each participant has to pay as in regular surname projects. I keep hoping that some multimillionaire Shetlander will step forward and offer to "grease the wheels" - money is generally the reason why people interested in my project back away - think of all those haplotypes that will remain unknown. Actually I may have to seek funding from some British Government heritage agencies that I have pinpointed. My goal is to "showcase" Shetland and make it a household word.
Anyway Patrick you have done all of us and the Celtic world in particular a great service. Am terrible at wating but comfort myself knowing that your project is at the peer review stage. All the best.
Patrick Guinness <> wrote:
Currently the SNPs are being done and the result will be a
Cinnioglu-type paper with YCC-style SNPs and 18 STRs in about 150 men.
'Peer review' is the next stage, then it has to be published, which
can take months. In the meantime the results cannot be released. The
donors are anonymous outside the lab, so if you had a match they
can't tell you who he is. I'll preadvise the List when it's available.
In terms of the thought-to-be G* and I* components - if they are all
in I* then they prove its immense age, as they are so diverse.
So far no J has been found in Gaelic-era surnames, leading me to
suppose that the steady 1%+ J / J2 in Britain is linked to the Roman
era (43-410AD), or merchants at any time, or the expansion north of
the Alps by diaspora Jews c.1000AD.
However, there has been a thriving Irish-Jewish community for
hundreds of years, and I believe Chaim Herzog was born in Ireland.
Dr. David K. Faux, P.O. Box 192, Seal Beach, CA, 90740, USA