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From: "Mark and Gary" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] DAVISSON results in - R1a
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:56:51 -0800
In-Reply-To: <000001c3d0a5$7adc1210$3c9dcd18@DCXKT231>


I forgot to add that the all 4 (not just 3) modern surnames Childress,
Harper, Davisson, AND Young (who match 23/25 or better) all appear as
part of the Viking surname project in Wirral and West Lancashire as
Childsfather, Harper, Davy, and Young. (Wirral is in proximity to
Liverpool and West Lancashire is just North of that).

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark and Gary [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:26 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [DNA] DAVISSON results in - R1a

A recent study of possible Vikings descendants in the UK (Wirral and
West Lancashire) has been published and was based upon the DNA collected
from a list of the surnames which appeared on church records in the year
1366 promising to contribute to the stipend of the priest of the altar
of Our Lady at Ormskirk. Childers and Childress are not on the list of
surnames in 1366, but "Childsfather" is which may be a church reference
to Child of Our Father, or Child of God, a birth outside of wedlock. We
speculate, without other evidence, that the one or more lines of the
surname Child, with possible later declensions to Childer and Childress
surnames (Childer and Childress are plurals of Child in regional English
vernacular), may owe its origin to the church's recording of an out of
wedlock birth of their ancestors, though that is not suggested in the
Viking study. The Viking study only references that the surname
"Childsfather" existed in 1366 in a community that was the site of a
previous and major Viking settlement in the UK. The Viking study is
summarized at http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~sczsteve/survey.htm

The Viking study was looking for DNA samples from modern descendants
living in the UK with the surnames Childsfather, Harper, and Davy, who
all appeared to be living in these Wirral and West Lancashire Viking
settlement areas of the UK circa 1366.

Gary Childress


-----Original Message-----
From: Amelia [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 9:41 AM
To:
Subject: RE: [DNA] DAVISSON results in - R1a

The DAVISSON line goes back to Scotland in the 1600s. We have a match
to
Harper (Ireland/Scotland), Young (Scotland), and now Childress (UK). At

least we're all coming from the same area so far.

At 08:52 AM 1/1/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>The Davisson DNA matches 23/25 one of our R1a1 Childress members,
>however his DYS 449 has a value of 34. The Childresses seem to trace
to
>the British Isles. The results also made me think that perhaps there
was
>a major adoption event in the Davisson-Harper-Childress background.
>Gary Childress
>Childress-Childress DNA Project
>The FTDNA results for our Childress are as follows
>13 24 15 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 30 15 9 10 11 11 23 14 20 34
15
>15 15 16



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