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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Robert the Bruce's DNA
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:09:11 -0700
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Being a "Hamilton" (male line up to my mother) I'm interested in Scottish
genetics. I think I know how to spot Norse versus Celtic genes; has anyone
found a way to differentiate "Celtic" from the Pict genes? That would be
interesting.

Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "LJCrain" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Robert the Bruce's DNA


> My interest has come about from my research into these lines revealing the
> contribution of so much apparently Norse genes into the ruling classes of
> several major European countries. The Norse and Celtic genes certainly did
> swamp the Picts as most of their rulers were killed as well as disposed in
> Scotland. And in many cases their descendants were killed too. This is
> historically important. And it is now feasible, if not practical to prove
> some of this. But getting permission to obtain DNA from these old bones is
> not going to happen.
>
> Janet Crain
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Robert the Bruce's DNA
>
>
> > Bruce's heart may be able to supply some DNA but it seems from all the
> > "handling" it may be contaminated with that of others.
> >
> > I really don't understand all this apparent interest in making DNA
> > connections with individual people so far and so many generations into
the
> > past? An ancient individual's contribution to one's active and novel
DNA
> > nucelotides today will be very, very dilute. It is the collective
> > contributions of tribes or clans or regional groupings of peoples of
> distant
> > times which genetically matters.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "LJCrain" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:26 AM
> > Subject: [DNA] Robert the Bruce's DNA
> >
> >
> > > OK, let's forget about Charlemayne's DNA for awhile, althought it was
an
> > > interesting thought. Robert the Bruce descended from the Norman De
Brus
> > > family who came over with William the B and C. Shortly before his
death,
> > he
> > > asked that when he died, his heart be removed from his body and
carried
> in
> > a
> > > lead box with his good friend, Sir James Douglas when he went to fight
> the
> > > Infidels. His wishes were honored and his heart was taken into battle
in
> > > some manner, details of which vary. Douglas fell in the Battle of Teba
> in
> > > Spain, but supposedly before he did he flung the heart forward into
the
> > > midst of the Moors, crying: "Forward, brave heart, as ever thou were
> wont
> > to
> > > do, and Douglas will follow thee or die". Bruce's heart was brought
back
> > to
> > > Scotland by William Keith of Galston for burial in Melrose Abbey. In
> 1921,
> > > during excavations beneath the Chapter House at Melrose Abbey, a
conical
> > > leaden casket was discovered. It measured 10 inches high and was 4
> inches
> > in
> > > diameter at the base but tapering towards the top. It was pitted but
> > > otherwise in good condition. It was reburied in 1998. The heart is
> > believed
> > > to be inside. If the persons in charge of this relic were willing, I
> > wonder
> > > if usable Y chromosome DNA could be obtained. The heart was embalmed
at
> > the
> > > time of Bruce's death. This is a purely hypothetical question because
we
> > > know this will never be allowed.
> > >
> > > Janet Crain
> > >
> > > http://www.buccleuch.com/pages/content.asp?PageID=127
> > >
> > > http://www.rampantscotland.com/know/blknow_heart.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.douglashistory.com/library/spratt/teba1330.htm
> > >
> > >
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