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From: David Faux <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Is there anyone on the list that can give me a conclusive answer as to which rule is the "Standard Rule for the 12 marker world standard test".
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:36:44 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <006101c3e8cc$b1965e20$8b4c2bcf@browpinrjc>


Richard, if you would permit another PhD etc. to weigh in - I agree with Dr. Bond (Andrew) in his assessment. Also, you would be unique indeed if you "know for a fact that there is no non-paternity event" without DNA testing. How is that possible without a Y-DNA test for males, a FBI CODIS test, or one of the many paternity tests offered by labs around the world? Didn't someone say here, just a couple of days ago, something to the effect that you always know who your mother is (but as we discussed even that is not necessarily true), "daddy maybe".

The only reason I can say with confidence that there was no non-paternity even in my Faux line back to the 1600s is that I match other individuals 23 / 25 on a Y test where their ancestor in common is in the mid 1700s (they match 24 / 25), and the ancestor in common for all of us was born in the early 1600s. On the first 12 markers we only match 10 / 12.

The Y data clearly indicates that the three of us come from lineages where marital fidelity has been "proven" back to the 1600s. Ah, but even there, there could have been a brother or cousin or even uncle who was "involved" with one or more of the lines - I cannot say for sure, but can only offer a strong probability statement in relation to the paper trail genealogy.

David.

Richard Cottrell <> wrote:
Mr. Bond,

I did not receive any post or email that you say answered my question, so
therefore, I can't ignore something I did not get or know about.

I also don't remember saying anything about any mistake in my research. I
also do not naively think there is a non-paternity event, I know for a fact
there is no non-paternity event.

I listen to people with doctorate degrees because I respect that individual.
I also value that persons opinion because I believe it is meant to help
people like me that don't have a doctorate degree.

Thanks, for your reply.

Richard



----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Bond"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: [DNA] Is there anyone on the list that can give me a conclusive
answer as to which rule is the "Standard Rule for the 12 marker world
standard test".


> Richard, I answered you question yesterday, but it seems that if you don't
get the answer you want then you ignore it.
>
> Most likely, the reason you matched 11/12 to others in your putative line
is because you have a very common haplotype. You match other surnames in
Ybase at this level. So when you have a common haplotype and match others
in your project, the next thing to do is move up to the 25-marker test.
That is exactly what you did. The results (16/25) from that anaylsis show
that you are most likely not related/descended from this line.
>
> Therefore, you either made a mistake with your research (which you say is
impossible) or there was a non-paternity event in your background (which you
naively say could not happen). By the way, Richard, since you listen to
people with doctorate degrees, I will state that I have a Ph.D. in
molecular genetics.
>
> Andrew Bond
>
> Richard Cottrell wrote:
> >Mr. Hurst,
>
> >Well the first statement is from documentation that came with my 12
marker >certificate. And the "you are related but probably much more
distantly", and >while that maybe just one sentence it came from a person
that has a Ph.D..
>
> >I did do my research on the subject before I took the test.
>
> >And there is no 'non paternity event' for anyone in the lines.
>
> >Thanks, anyway for the reply.
>
>
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